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re: Official WandaVision Episode 5 Thread NO SPOILERS PAGE 1
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:19 am to cittizinsrat
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:19 am to cittizinsrat
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Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:13 am to TheRock
One thing that’s always bugged me is why did Bucky seem like he knew Captain was staying in the past at the end of Endgame.
Did cap tell Bucky off screen that he was staying in the past with Peggy when he returned the stones?
Or did cap come across Bucky in the past while he was returning the stones and told him what was going on, which somehow allowed present day Bucky to know? If that makes sense
Cap said “don’t do anything stupid while I’m gone” and Bucky responded “how could I? You’re taking all the stupid with you”
Bucky clearly knew what cap was gonna do
Did cap tell Bucky off screen that he was staying in the past with Peggy when he returned the stones?
Or did cap come across Bucky in the past while he was returning the stones and told him what was going on, which somehow allowed present day Bucky to know? If that makes sense
Cap said “don’t do anything stupid while I’m gone” and Bucky responded “how could I? You’re taking all the stupid with you”
Bucky clearly knew what cap was gonna do
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 10:16 am
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:25 am to tigers25
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Bucky clearly knew what cap was gonna do
Is Falcon and the Winter Soldier maybe going to explain this in a flashback?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:35 am to Scoob
quote:You're ignoring the fact that Marvel Studios killed off half of their universe's population, and then brought them back to life. Not sure how bringing an AI back to life is more morally questionable than the rewriting of the timeline to undo the deaths of half of the universe. Add to that: Marvel now has the problem presented in Donner's Superman. If you can rewrite history in order to save lives, why aren't you doing it for every deadly catastrophe going forward?
fricking around with death is dangerous, unpredictable, and morally questionable.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:36 am to Oates Mustache
Just binged all 5 Episodes so far over weekend.
I have only seen about half the MCU movies. I watched this as a novice. It is really enjoyable on a surface level. The whole x-men cameo was lost on me until I read this thread. Disney is catering to the hardcore MCU fans too much for this series.
I have only seen about half the MCU movies. I watched this as a novice. It is really enjoyable on a surface level. The whole x-men cameo was lost on me until I read this thread. Disney is catering to the hardcore MCU fans too much for this series.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:45 am to CunningLinguist
quote:People will disagree with you here, but the series really is geared for the average to above average Marvel Studios fan. Not that it's a minuscule subset that they're targeting, but they're banking on viewers having seen the last two Avengers films and at least one of the X-Men Quicksilver films.
Disney is catering to the hardcore MCU fans too much for this series.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:15 am to tigers25
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Cap said “don’t do anything stupid while I’m gone” and Bucky responded “how could I? You’re taking all the stupid with you”
That was a throwback to The First Avenger, when Bucky was shipping out. The lines were reversed.
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One thing that’s always bugged me is why did Bucky seem like he knew Captain was staying in the past at the end of Endgame.
Maybe they talked about his plan, or maybe Bucky just knows his best friend.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:27 am to CunningLinguist
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Disney is catering to the hardcore MCU fans too much for this series.
I would assume that subscription-based spinoffs are generally geared towards hardcore fans.
But I agree it's enjoyable on a surface level. The Easter egg discussions you see on the internet are mostly speculation at this point; it's not like you're really missing out on a lot. If you haven't seen the X-Men movie that introduced that version of Quicksilver, then some of the impact might have been lost. But it's still a mystery within the show.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:01 pm to QJenk
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What if Wanda did some reality warping and Steve delivered a fake to the past timeline, meanwhile Wanda kept the real stone in hopes of reviving Vision.
I don't have much of anything to support this theory, but it would absolutely be a fun twist.
I keep wanting to believe that she did find a way to bring Vision back. I do enjoy Paul Bettany and really want him around going forward in the MCU, but I think the end of Infinity War loses some of its impact if he does come back.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:31 pm to kballa6
Not reading this whole thread but:
-Smart money is on that not really being Pietro.
-did the remaining Avengers really go their separate ways a few days after the Battle for Earth and Starks funeral? None of them, in particular Clint, her best remaining friend, or Dr. Strange, protector of our reality, are wondering wtf is going on with her? Jimmy Woo won’t give Scott Lang a call?
Tony, Bruce,Thor, Steve and the Post Blip Avengers (Nat, Rhodey, Danvers) didn’t bother to check up on Visions corpse?
Vision was last seen with Steve looking over him. Captain America is going to leave him on the fricking battlefield? Nope.
I’m a little annoyed how SWORD is being written in as existing for this long as an entity, without knowing when they formed, and such, but I know we’ll learn more in Secret Invasion.
-I suspect Danvers powers infected both Rambeaus, with Monica clearly getting some powers and Maria getting cancer, and Monica holding a big grudge.
The show is brilliant, but if the Avengers are still being treated as criminals by the US government because of the Accords, I want to see the Avengers overthrow the government.
-Smart money is on that not really being Pietro.
-did the remaining Avengers really go their separate ways a few days after the Battle for Earth and Starks funeral? None of them, in particular Clint, her best remaining friend, or Dr. Strange, protector of our reality, are wondering wtf is going on with her? Jimmy Woo won’t give Scott Lang a call?
Tony, Bruce,Thor, Steve and the Post Blip Avengers (Nat, Rhodey, Danvers) didn’t bother to check up on Visions corpse?
Vision was last seen with Steve looking over him. Captain America is going to leave him on the fricking battlefield? Nope.
I’m a little annoyed how SWORD is being written in as existing for this long as an entity, without knowing when they formed, and such, but I know we’ll learn more in Secret Invasion.
-I suspect Danvers powers infected both Rambeaus, with Monica clearly getting some powers and Maria getting cancer, and Monica holding a big grudge.
The show is brilliant, but if the Avengers are still being treated as criminals by the US government because of the Accords, I want to see the Avengers overthrow the government.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:43 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Was that quicksilver just a different actor at the end of #5?
The dig at Captain Marvel was pretty funny and I guess something to give the fans.
I was confused, Is this taking place after end game? or Infinity War?
The dig at Captain Marvel was pretty funny and I guess something to give the fans.
I was confused, Is this taking place after end game? or Infinity War?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:01 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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did the remaining Avengers really go their separate ways a few days after the Battle for Earth and Starks funeral? None of them, in particular Clint, her best remaining friend, or Dr. Strange, protector of our reality, are wondering wtf is going on with her? Jimmy Woo won’t give Scott Lang a call?
Tony, Bruce,Thor, Steve and the Post Blip Avengers (Nat, Rhodey, Danvers) didn’t bother to check up on Visions corpse?
We don’t know what they each have going on.
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Vision was last seen with Steve looking over him. Captain America is going to leave him on the fricking battlefield? Nope.
Well 5 years has passed, so yeah he was moved. What exactly were they going to do with him?
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The show is brilliant, but if the Avengers are still being treated as criminals by the US government because of the Accords, I want to see the Avengers overthrow the government.
Pretty clear they aren’t being treated as such, but rules still exist.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:25 pm to CunningLinguist
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Disney is catering to the hardcore MCU fans too much for this series.
Why is that a problem? The fans are the ones paying the bills.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:55 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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We don’t know what they each have going on.
We have a pretty good idea what Bruce, Tony, Steve, Nat, Clint and Thor were all up to after the Battle of Wakanda where Vision died.
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Well 5 years has passed, so yeah he was moved. What exactly were they going to do with him?
Well, Tony continued tinker in his garage and Bruce was experimenting on himself. Two his creators aren’t interested in bringing him back to life?
But besides that after The Blip, earths mightiest heroes just left him for SWORD to pick up? Not take him back to HQ? A brother in arms while they are grief stricken?
You’re telling me, Mister “We don’t sacrifice lives” is going to leave his corpse. Banner-who said in Infinity War that Visions is made up of a composite of “brain” waves, Tony’s, Bruce’s, Jarvis, Ultron’s, essentially is interested?
Tony who had mentioned Vision was evolving in Infinity War coupled with some of the work Shuri was doing on Vision, isn’t going to revive his decade long (in some ways) companion?
The Avengers cared about Vision. Blip or not, they wouldn’t leave him for a government entity-by proxy a group with whom they were at odds with before the battle , one that they may not have known about to grab him after Thanos killed him.
Hell Tony’s Damage Control picking up makes more sense.
Wanda didn’t lose Vision 5 years ago. She lost him a few weeks ago.
Her outrage makes sense. Their apathy doesn’t based on the information give to us from AoU to Endgame(as this takes place before Far From Home).
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Pretty clear they aren’t being treated as such, but rules still exist.
ETA: not sure Sam and Bucky aren’t on the run at some point.
This again, comes back to wtf is the structure of the post game Avengers.
Something I’ve pondered about before.
Do they still exist, & if so, who are they?
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:56 pm to FreddieMac
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Was that quicksilver just a different actor at the end of #5?
I think officially its still up in the air. But the actor was the actor who played Quicksilver in the latest round of Xmen movies. So possibly merging universes?
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I was confused, Is this taking place after end game? or Infinity War?
I think they make the statement that this is essentially three weeks after End game.
Rambeau come back from the snap (which was the end of Endgame) and the head of SWORD made the statement i think to here "you up for this its only been three weeks" or something along those lines.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:04 pm to GatorReb
Thanos ripped the mind stone out of Visions head in 2018. The remaining Avengers on earth, which were Cap, Thor, Bruce, and Nat, probably assumed there was no bringing Vision back based on his brutal death. Wanda got dusted by Thanos so she wasn’t around to pressure anyone to try and revive Vision. So yeah, SHIELD or whoever took possession of Visions body.
Tony wasn’t returned to earth for 3 weeks after Thanos kicked arse in 2018. Then he was probably bed ridden for awhile after all the shite he went through in space and on Titan.
I think it is pretty clear that Wanda went and got Visions body pretty shortly after Tony’s funeral in 2023.
Tony wasn’t returned to earth for 3 weeks after Thanos kicked arse in 2018. Then he was probably bed ridden for awhile after all the shite he went through in space and on Titan.
I think it is pretty clear that Wanda went and got Visions body pretty shortly after Tony’s funeral in 2023.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:10 pm to GatorReb
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I think they make the statement that this is essentially three weeks after End game.
Rambeau come back from the snap (which was the end of Endgame) and the head of SWORD made the statement i think to here "you up for this its only been three weeks" or something along those lines.
Ok, so that was what I thought. Maxoff was acting as if Vision was just killed, but he died years ago. I guess its because she was dusted and then immediately revived and went into the fight with Thanos. This might be some type of PTSD and dealing with Visions death.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:10 pm to tigers25
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The remaining Avengers on earth, which were Cap, Thor, Bruce, and Nat, probably assumed there was no bringing Vision back based on his brutal death
They were literally discussing/in the process of removing the Mind Stone from Vision in Infinity War. Brutal death or not, he still has value with or with out the infinity stone in his head.
I don’t see why that would change, and considering the grief they shared they wouldn’t attempt to revive him.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:13 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
It is a valid point, but I would argue that medically removing the mind stone after tons and tons of thorough tests is different than having some beast rip it out visions head
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:32 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Well, it's one week from Mardi Gras Day, so I give you...
HandaWandaVision!!!
HandaWandaVision!!!
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 1:31 pm
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