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re: Official The Walking Dead S05E14 "Spend" NO COMICS
Posted on 3/17/15 at 12:23 pm to AlxTgr
Posted on 3/17/15 at 12:23 pm to AlxTgr
quote:Actually he's right and I think you're missing his point (if I'm mistaken I apologize).quote:
You don't turn because you were bit, you turn because you are dead.
Meh, you die from the smallest of bites, then turn.
Yes, if you get bitten you die, but if you die you'll turn, even if you were never bitten. As an example, remember the guy who died from that flu in the prison. He was never bitten, got sick, died, turned and then bit others.
Getting back to the original question I think that the poster was suggesting that the initial outbreak could have started that way. Someone (or perhaps lots of people) became infected through whatever means people become infected, call that the "latent" illness. Then when (S)he died (however they died, and the how is unimportant) it because the "virulent" zombie version of the illness and that person spread it further through zombie violence.
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 12:33 pm
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 12:25 pm to BhamTigah
quote:Yeah, it's definitely easier than stabbing a knife through the skull of the living I can tell you that right now.
I can tell by reading everyone's comments that none of you have ever killed a zombie. Y'all don't know shite about real zombie killing.
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I mean ... never mind.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 12:25 pm to BhamTigah
I think the best point that has been made in here is about the 22 bullet. A couple buckets of cheap bullets and an awesome scope and ammunition for zombies would never be an issue again.
Rick staying supplied with the right bullets must be a PITA.
Rick staying supplied with the right bullets must be a PITA.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:20 pm to TigerInBamaLand
quote:I understand that. Small bite = die then turn. Barb wire cut. No die, no turn. What is it about the bite if they are all infected? Nothing, and that's my point.
Meh, you die from the smallest of bites, then turn.
Actually he's right and I think you're missing his point (if I'm mistaken I apologize).
Yes, if you get bitten you die, but if you die you'll turn, even if you were never bitten. As an example, remember the guy who died from that flu in the prison. He was never bitten, got sick, died, turned and then bit others.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 2:11 pm to AlxTgr
quote:But also,
Barb wire cut. No die, no turn.
Barb wire cut leading to septicemia = die then turn
Heart attack = die then turn
I think we're on the same page with that; I just want to make sure.
Now to your next point
quote:Well, not necessarily. Sure, no one understands how this infection works in the make believe world of The Walking Dead, but it's not unheard of for the same pathogen to cause very different clinical signs depending on the route of exposure. Maybe a "latent" infection (the kind that everyone has) is subclinical and only manifests after the infected person dies.
What is it about the bite if they are all infected? Nothing, and that's my point.
But a bite manifests in an acute illness because a virulent subform of the virus is shed through the salivary glands once the infected person is in the advanced stages of disease (i.e. a zombie). Viruses can be spread like that, see rabies for example which travels from the CNS to the salivary glands so that it can be spread.
But back to the different forms of the disease based on routes of exposure: just off the top of my head, think of Anthrax. Inhalational anthrax is pretty fricking bad, you're very likely to die just because you breathed it in. However, if you get the same bacteria on a cut on your hand, you'll probably just get a big ugly ulcer (look up Woolsorter's disease).
The only difference there = the route of infection. Outcomes vastly different.
What I'm saying is this: there are certainly precedents in nature of pathogens impacting you differently based on your route of exposure. I don't think that it's too much a stretch on the imagination to believe that this "Walker Virus" is similar to that.
Breath in anthrax = die
Get anthrax on a cut on your hand = no real big deal
Get exposed to "Walker virus" through a bite from a walker (even if you're already subclinically infected) = die
Get "Walker virus" through it's normal mode of transmission (whatever the frick that is) = no real big deal
At least that's how I look at it (I've actually thought about this before).
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 3/17/15 at 2:25 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
Small bite = die then turn. Barb wire cut. No die, no turn. What is it about the bite if they are all infected? Nothing, and that's my point.
But thats why i find it insane that people would ever not immediately clean Zombie fluids off of them. There is no difference between a zombie bite and a cut from a tree branch that gets Zombie spit/blood in it.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 2:43 pm to Hester Carries
quote:Yup
But thats why i find it insane that people would ever not immediately clean Zombie fluids off of them. There is no difference between a zombie bite and a cut from a tree branch that gets Zombie spit/blood in it.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 2:49 pm to AlxTgr
But there definitely seems to be a difference though. We've seen people throughout the series slaughter walkers and get blood all over themselves (eyes, mouth, and surely some open wounds), yet they are fine.
Maybe a bite is just different like the above poster mentioned. Or maybe the blood getting on you (or into an open wound or cut) isn't a big deal at all. It all depends on the method of transfer, and clearly bites are the #1 worst one.
Maybe a bite is just different like the above poster mentioned. Or maybe the blood getting on you (or into an open wound or cut) isn't a big deal at all. It all depends on the method of transfer, and clearly bites are the #1 worst one.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 2:50 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:
Maybe a bite is just different like the above poster mentioned. Or maybe the blood getting on you (or into an open wound or cut) isn't a big deal at all. It all depends on the method of transfer, and clearly bites are the #1 worst one.
Lets be honest. Maybe the show doesnt have a consistent application or understanding of biological sciences.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 2:50 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:
Maybe a bite is just different like the above poster mentioned. Or maybe the blood getting on you (or into an open wound or cut) isn't a big deal at all. It all depends on the method of transfer, and clearly bites are the #1 worst one.
Logical conclusion... whatever causes people to die rapidly after a bite is in the zombie saliva, not blood.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 3:32 pm to LSUBoo
quote:
. whatever causes people to die rapidly after a bite is in the zombie saliva, not blood.
Sorta like the komodo dragon, it's saliva is so full of bacteria when it bites it's prey, it usually bites a leg. Then it will track it for a day or two and find that the bacteria has caused an infection. The leg that was bitten is useless and the animal is too sick to escape.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 3:33 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:Yeah, I think it's the bite ... insomuch as it's anything. Mostly this is probably just us finding answers to some of the minor inconsistencies on the show. Bottom line, I think that there are certainly plausible (I mean we're talking about zombies here) biological pathways that this could work and a bite would be different than a splash.
But there definitely seems to be a difference though. We've seen people throughout the series slaughter walkers and get blood all over themselves (eyes, mouth, and surely some open wounds), yet they are fine.
That being said, you'd think that the group wouldn't necessarily know this to be true, in which case I'd be very careful with the splashes if I were in the group.
One last thing though, back in Season 2, didn't they all freak out about the walker in the well thinking that its presence contaminated the well? Was that a fear of the virus, or just a standard "don't drink water that's had dead people in it" precaution?
Posted on 3/17/15 at 3:38 pm to Hester Carries
quote:
Lets be honest. Maybe the show doesnt have a consistent application or understanding of biological sciences.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 3:43 pm to Sus-Scrofa
quote:
Rick staying supplied with the right bullets must be a PITA.
Rick's Python can shoot .357 or .38 which gives him some flexibility.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 3:45 pm to Hester Carries
quote:
There is no difference between a zombie bite and a cut from a tree branch that gets Zombie spit/blood in it.
We don't know that. Plus, any physician will tell you that human bites are worse than just about anything in terms of infection risks. Now, just imagine a bite from a dead human that has likely bitten other people before, carrying the tainted rotten flesh in its own rotting mouth for months in the sweltering humidity of Georgia. You are probably better of getting bit by a Komodo Dragon.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 3:49 pm to Hester Carries
quote:
Lets be honest. Maybe the show doesnt have a consistent application or understanding of biological sciences.
It's a show about a zombie apocalypse. If we're agreeing that the dead are walking the earth then we need to agree that all consistent application or understanding of biological sciences goes out the fricking window.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 3:52 pm to Hester Carries
quote:
Lets be honest. Maybe the show doesnt have a consistent application or understanding of biological sciences.
Could be.
Or maybe you don't (as explained by the poster above with a great example of Anthrax...get it on you, and it's NBD, but ingest it and you're fricked).
Note: I'm not saying I do.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 3:52 pm to MightyYat
quote:This.
If we're agreeing that the dead are walking the earth then we need to agree that all consistent application or understanding of biological sciences goes out the fricking window
But there are certainly applications of biological sciences that can explain away the seeming inconsistencies noted above.
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 3/17/15 at 4:00 pm to TigerInBamaLand
I just think we need to be careful when we say "Its a zombie show, you have to suspend belief." True, you do to an extent. But not across the board. People still have to act somewhat logically. And putting your chicken fingers near the hungry mouth of moaning finger biter that will kill you if he bites your fingers, is both avoidable, illogical, and bad news if your goal is to keep your fingers unbitten. I WILL NOT SUSPEND MY FINGER PROTECTION LOGIC.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 4:33 pm to LSUMJ
quote:
the group knows 2 things for sure-
1. covering themselves in zombie blood makes you invisible to them
2. keeping a couple of armless/jawless ones around also makes you invisible to them (somehow)
yet they never use it
I think about this at least once an episode. Its a pretty big hole, considering (other than the onvious) that it was a mystery around michone for like an entire season.
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