re: Official Dark Knight Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

Just don't want to sound like I am nit picking. I talked my girlfriend into going and when that scene came so early on in the movie I was like "ah damn, she is going to think this retarded because this guy is wearing an onion sack"

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In BB he only wore it after the toxin had been absorbed to scare people

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that was before Batman sprayed him with his own stuff. When he's on the horse and Rachel says Crane? He says no, Scarecrow,

Was it Cillian Murphy in the Scarecrow mask? I was have really mis read that scene cause I thought he was with the fake Batman's, like they were trying to set up the drug dealers?

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Was it Cillian Murphy in the Scarecrow mask?

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Yes. And it was a legit transaction that just got busted by the fake Batmen ("That's not him...That's more like it.")

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he had it off after that scene.

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didn't look like him to me at first, but he is in the credits.

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They are playing the same character, comparisons are inevitable. Its not Jack's fault, he's just the actor, but its just a lame character.

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I know comparisons are inevitable, but they really are two completely different characters because the movies themselves are so different.

I mean, honestly, the eras just aren't comparable. Movies today are NOTHING like they were in 1989. The original Batman was actually considered VERY dark when it came out.

Compared to other takes on comic book heroes at that point, like Superman, or the Batman, Hulk, or Spiderman TV series, Burton's Batman was REVOLUTIONARY. A peformance like Ledger's at that point just wasn't possible.

If you compare Jack's performance as The Joker to the TV series Joker with Adam West, which was the last time Joker was seen on screen, the difference is immeasurable. I mean he was a practically a cartoon character. But to make the leap from that to Ledger's Joker just wouldn't have been possible in 89. Burton's vision and Jack's performance made Nolan and Ledger's movie possible. Its important to remember just how fresh and original Jack's performance was at the time, and I actually think its aged very well.

I mean, sure, he dances around the museum, and acts like a clown, face paint and all, but he is a straight up killer. Kills cops, bad guys, innocents. Kills them in broad daylight right in front of huge crowds. When he kills Grissom, while he jumps around and shoots between his legs, to me, that just showed how psycho he was. And then he just wipes the blood off of the newspaper and says "Wait till they get a load of me." I just thought that was a great scene. And for me, being so young, I couldn't BELIEVE how different it was compared to the 60's show I watched on Nick at Nite, or whatever channel it was that played them.

It was a necessary bridge to take superheros on screen from cartoonish, which they had been, back to the darkness of the original comics, which people just weren't prepared to see back then.

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And Maggie Glynhallel (whatever) is FUGLY.

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If you think that, it sounds like the OT is the place for you.

Heath did a great job, I just wish he would have laughed in certain scenes, like when he was fumbling around with the detonator, when it stopped working coming out the hospital, the audience at that point, would have gone beserk at anything he did.

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the rest of the movie bored me to tears

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wow, tough crowd

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If you compare Jack's performance as The Joker to the TV series Joker with Adam West, which was the last time Joker was seen on screen, the difference is immeasurable.

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Not really, both are goofy, they could not have the level of violence on TV in the late 60's

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to make the leap from that to Ledger's Joker just wouldn't have been possible in 89.

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Ledger's Joker is more like the Joker of comics, The Dark Knight Returns and The Killing Joke (both of which came out in the mid 80's. were inspirations for both Batman and TDK, Nolan and company just did a better job. In he end, I wanted to like Batman, so I kind of convinced myself I did. But I never liked Tim Burton or any of his movies. He's supposed to be dark, but his movies are just kind of goofy, Batman included. Maybe they (the studios) just didn't have the vision to make a realistic movie like BB in the late 80's, maybe the writing and directing talent just wasn't interested. Who knows. Since BB it doesn't matter, that's the Batman movie I always wanted to see, I can pretend all those horrible abortions don't exist and just ignore them.

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Burton's vision and Jack's performance made Nolan and Ledger's movie possible.

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I don't know, seems to me that just lead to Danny Devito's Penguin, Carrey's Riddler and Arnies Mr Freeze, which basically killed the franchise, until Nolan and Co came up with the idea of basically rebooting the series and starting over with an origins story.

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sure, he dances around the museum, and acts like a clown, face paint and all, but he is a straight up killer. Kills cops, bad guys, innocents

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but the killing is like cartoon violence and the dancing around makes him look like a douche, not very scary or menacing.

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It was a necessary bridge to take superheros on screen from cartoonish, which they had been, back to the darkness of the original comics, which people just weren't prepared to see back then.

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maybe you're right here, it took time to get to BB, like Lord of the Rings, Its better done later and done correctly. I'm just glad they finally did it right.