re: Official BLACK SAILS Re-watch/1st Watch Thread - All Episodes Watched- Raise the Black!

E4

Eleanor the snake somehow escapes her fate in Nassau and goes to hide in the fort like a little bitch. Boo hoo, Max is missing. who fricking cares.

Love the meeting with Flint where Silver says "billy has one hour to show his arse up." frick YOU BILLY. you ruined everything.

The brutality continues under Wood's lieutenant who is pissed he got 'prisoner drop-off duty' and what a fricking badass Bonnie is for thinking through a desperate plan with a small chance of success. While the pirates who could beat that giant were depleted, the giant was also getting tired and hubris made him less worried about a little girl. YOUR BAD. the key kick was fricking awesome. turning your hands into grotesque razors was sick and desperate and fricking amazing

MR DEGROOT ol' one ear still hanging on. i didn't think he'd make it past S1E1 and look who's still here. Yep, give Max up for 20 men..no brainer. frick YOU AGAIN BILLY. you've become what you hate..willing to sacrifice your men over being butt hurt about Max. Max is a fricking bitch so if she can be turned over for 20 men..do it.

BTW--frick Eleanor for holding out. When she decides to give up Nassau she tells Flint and Silver "you can have the rest of you men" SAY WHAT? frick YOU BITCH. holding out as usual til the bitter end.

Flint once again beguiled by that Guthrie bitch. Silver was right.

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I knew the term and what it was but until that scene I had no way to put into words how brutal it was. Good God imagine being Jack and Bonnie watching that.

One of the best moments of the entire series was the way Teach's white milky unrelenting eye turned towards Woods. He fricking beat Woods even in death. That haunted me as much as the graphic skinning alive with the clouds of blood following the carcass under the ship.

I am trying to put myself into Jack's head the moment he realized Teach just saved him and Bonnie from that gruesome death.

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That's what I meant about the acting in that scene. It was great all around. The looks on Jack's face were priceless. He was terrified. And Rogers was stone cold.

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The little nod from Silver to Israel to give the go ahead to slit Berringer's throat shows Israel has become a loyal member of his crew.

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The power Silver has gained in a very short period of time is impressive.

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BTW--frick Eleanor for holding out. When she decides to give up Nassau she tells Flint and Silver "you can have the rest of you men" SAY WHAT? frick YOU BITCH. holding out as usual til the bitter end.

Flint once again beguiled by that Guthrie bitch. Silver was right.

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E5

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Current Discussion: (starts on page 22)
S4, EP2 - XXX - Flint submits himself to Billy's authority; Eleanor tries to find a way to save Rogers; Silver is forced to become the leader of the war to reclaim Nassau.

S4, EP3 - XXXI - Max runs afoul of the law. Rogers reckons with his past. Flint and Madi reach an understanding. Long John Silver makes his return.

S4, EP4 - XXXII - The streets of Nassau become embroiled in violent strife; Silver demands answers from Billy; Eleanor tries to help Max; Bonny and Rackham suffer a traumatic experience.

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fricking Billy, man. Now is not the time, dude. Chill the frick out and know your role. He is singlehandedly fricking up everything.

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Billy Biceps.

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fricking Max. It's hard not just outright purely hate her at this point. They really messed up with her character. Like it was said above, before in her role you looked at her experiences as making her wise. And now they just make her cocky and annoying. She was a bad replacement for Eleanor and can't play the same role well at all.

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The thing that has become the most annoying for me now is that SHE WILL NOT TAKE THE BLAME FOR ANYTHING. I mean Eleanor comes to tell her she's gotten her out of the trouble again and she can't even say thank you. No, she blames it on Eleanor. "Why would I thank you, I tried to warn you for years that this was going to happen." O get over yourself. She will not take responsibility for anything. Wouldn't even admit that sending 6 guys to try and "capture" Silver was a dumb idea.

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Woodes Rogers is such an awesome character. His story of killing the 73 men aboard that ship after his brother died was crazy. He is definitely capable of being a brutal psychopath. And of course Berringer is over there jerking off listening to that story since he is also a psycho.

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Like I said earlier, he had that evil look in his eye the whole season leading up to this.

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"Again."
"Again."

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Rodgers acting especially was on point with this. Wonder how many takes that required. It was like "Ok shite heads how many times do I have to tell you, let's do this until he dies. No, I'm not stopping." So freaking good.

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Only to have his badass moment completely stolen from him by a total badass himself,

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Vane and Blackbeard went out like some champs. Blackbeards being an all time great exit. That mangled up face still being able to get up on his arms a bit and mug Rodgers down

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So Max spills the secret of the plantation thing in Florida where rich people disappear to. Foreshadowing. I completely missed that the first time I watched the show.

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Seems like this might have some importance moving forward...

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When did Eleanor actually marry Rogers? I noticed an episode or two ago they started referring to her as his actual wife. Did that happen offscreen between S3 and S4?

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Yea, off screen.

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I didn't fast forward.

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Silver & Israel

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underrated duo. Israel will definitely keep your butt in check. He ain't scared to pimp slap you with a reality check.

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The little nod from Silver to Israel to give the go ahead to slit Berringer's throat shows Israel has become a loyal member of his crew.

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Berringer for some reason reminded me of the villain from The Patriot, Col. Tavington. I mean you hate Tavington more and he's one of the best villains ever, but Berringer gave off a similiar vibe.

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And I found myself as season 4 went on being more and more tired of Flint's shite

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Yea S4 Flint is kind of just blinded by hate. I don't think you ever really see him as a good guy per se, but towards the end, for me, he's not necessarily the guy I'm rooting for.

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Yea S4 Flint is kind of just blinded by hate.

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He's become almost a secondary character in season 4.

I'm tired of Silver and his messiah complex. I'm going to preach to my pirate world and all will heed my wisdom. (which btw, Billy set up).

Season 4 has definitely lost some of the allure of earlier seasons. Searching for a way to wrap in up.

I hate Max even more with her bs rationalizations.

Everyone's outlook on all the different situations makes sense to them and they do put forth convincing arguments for their points of view. But can they all be right? And wrong?

Israel Hands for the win!

Anyone who thinks S4 has lost any of it's luster can fight me. I couldn't help but finish because I'm like that kid at the table who has to eat all the donuts...but damn what an ending. Second half of S4 is fantastic.

Here's my ranking:
S2
S4
S3
S1

ETA can't what to talk about the next 3 eps.

All she needed to do was catch him off guard and boy did she manage that. That key kick..I was like frick YEAH! Those pirates were ready to eat.

The brit lt. just had to take them in to port to be hanged. FAFO

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What makes you dislike her.

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It’s just constant emo, silent-whiney bullshite with her. And she’s just not a super fleshed put character really. Her dialogue feels lazy most of the time and there doesn’t seem to be much depth outside of “she’s devoted to Jack because he saved her but she’s also sort of bi so women want her too.”

I don’t know, she’s just a pretty weak character IMO. Or maybe it’s just that in a show that is so chock full of awesome characters, she stands out as fairly bland.

Well shite, I thought I had watched all three but apparently still have E7 to watch. So I will add my thoughts on the first two now and add E7 later. Look forward to discussing the whole show and wrapping up next week. This has been great.


S4E5

Eleanor firing at Rogers’s ship. Wow. I bet Rogers sat there on deck and tweeted this out right afterwards:



Israel Hands slapping the shite out of Silver was awesome. "Worry ain’t a good look for a king. Not in a kingdom like this... where loyalty is in short supply."

Rogers going to Cuba has to be treason, no? I get it’s one of his only moves, but like he said, their countries are literally at war with each other.

Silver delivering Billy to the Underhill plantation is smart, but not allowing them to kill him seems stupid. Those slaves had their family members beaten and killed because of Billy, so now they just get to rough him up a little as retribution? frick all that.

Of course Jack is the only person who knows what Rogers truly is and that he will never agree to simply hand over Nassau. I was surprised that Flint was shortsighted on that honestly. But I guess he’s trusting that Eleanor knows her husband, which obviously she doesn’t at all.


S4E6

Max is like a fricking cockroach. That bitch just won’t die. I have no idea why every single person in her life doesn’t shoot her or stab her or toss her overboard. God she sucks.

During the whole time with Flint and Eleanor at Mrs. Barlow’s house, I kept thinking about how hopeless that must feel. You know this is sort of your “last stand” sort of place, and you know that you basically have no shot whatsoever against what is coming. That must have sucked.

Featherstone is really a great character these days.

Man that fight at the Barlow house with that soldier and Eleanor/Madi was brutal. Really well done scene IMO and it felt pretty realistic too. Flint and company not ensuring that everyone was dead was a huge mistake. I get chasing after the few that ran off, but the ones left guarding the house should definitely gone and stuck swords into the Spanish soldiers lying around on the ground.

I do wish Flint would’ve told Eleanor that it was all Rogers’s fault though. Instead of lying to ease her before she died, he should’ve been like “YES, bitch! Of course it was your fricking husband, you dolt. I told you he was just like the rest of us, but you didn’t want to hear that shite and now here we are. Guess you won’t be shopping anymore at least. Idiot.” But I get why he showed compassion. I guess.

Jack agreeing (even listening) to Max’s plan about going to Philly to see Eleanor’s grandfather is egregiously stupid. Of all people to listen to that and say “Yeah, no. Shut the frick up, whore” Jack should’ve been first in line to do so.