re: Official Big Brother 17 Season Long Thread (Spoilers/Live Feeders/Maybe NSFW)

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Her train story seems fishy to me. Didn't she claim that she peeked around a van and the train happened to be coming right then and hit her face? How do you not hear a train coming and know that it might not be a good idea to get close? I think she might have been trying get hit by the train in a suicide attempt. Maybe that's also why she turned her life around after getting hit.

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It wasn't a locomotive, it was one of those more or less streetcars that runs on roadways on a small rail. It was in europe (I think) on a small street, with cars parked along the curb in all directions. She peeked her head out from behind a car at the exact moment the "train" was coming, so that's how it only hit her face.

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Jeff caught on to a speech last night from Clay that he said he heard Clay giving Day last week.

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Yeah, I actually watched that talk last night as it was going on. Clay made it pretty clear to him that he wasn't going to vote for him. Clay was talking about trust and how he learned from Shelli to play the listen but don't give info away game, and that Jeff played the opposite game, and that Clay had to go with people he trusted and if James does say something about him he would admit it if asked, but he doesn't feel Jeff would. Clay was actually as straight up with him as he could be without just coming out and telling him he knows everything he said about him and Shelli and he was sending him home for it.

Clay actually seems like a straight up guy, and has some morals as to how he treats people and how they should treat him. He even told Jeff that he's loyal to someone until they backstab him, and then he has to problem going after them. And I know that Jeff understood everything Clay was insinuating to him. My concern about Clay is he's not only going to let Shelli and Vanessa sway his mistrust of Audrey, but that eventually Vanessa will backstab him and Shelli. She has already made the Freaks & Geeks alliance without them, and is talking to Audrey about how her odds are bad to go final 3 with them. I originally liked the 6th Sense alliance because it started out with full trust from everyone, but as time goes on Vanessa is starting to show her Vegas colors and is already laying the groundwork in her head to take some of them out when the time comes.

It's going to be funny if Audrey and either Vanessa or someone else in that alliance gets put up, but Audrey will blow them up during the week of campaigning.

I want to see Johnny Mac win HOH just to give him the opportunity to tell Shelli, Clay, Vanessa or Austin that they need to throw the BoB competition!

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I think her decision to keep her when she had the votes to get her out could come back to bite her in the arse.

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But she also had to take her shot at Jeff while she could, because the longer the other side had to pick off the floaters and members of her alliance, the harder it would be to get enough votes to kick him out later. Audrey's not a direct threat until she gets put up on the block against someone else from their alliance, and that's when she'll start blowing Clay and Shelli and the rest of the alliance up to everyone else. But when she does do that, then Vanessa and can use the "I was the only person to give you the benefit of the doubt, and now you are lying about me just like everyone said you would" card and might be able to deflect enough for Audrey to go home. But in the end, I still fully believe Jeff and his group were a far bigger immediate threat to Vanessa and her group than Audrey was.

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Vanessa can win an HOH that involves luck, but will she be able to support her alliance beyond this week? I'm not so sure.

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We still haven't seen her in a memory type HoH game. I'm betting she will be pretty darn good at it (especially since I think she said that she could count cards). But even if she isn't, she can still support them by being the mastermind of the group. While the execution of this HoH has been extremely messy, it still worked out the exact way she said it would when her and Austin won HoH. She is a very good strategist. It's just that she doesn't seem to know when to back away once the plan is set in motion.

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I'd like to see James/Jason win HOH. Would be a nice flip given the past two weeks.

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You and me both. I think that they or Meg (even though I don't see Meg winning anything at this point) will go through with backdooring Audrey, and will also put Vanessa up in BoB which hopefully will snap her straight and make her refocus on building and maintaining her alliance.

Audrey is such a "me" player that I think the worst move Vanessa can make is putting her trust in Audrey because of this strange connection she feels to her because she's a trans. I think that approach has hurt her this week. Audrey is good to have in your back pocket, but she's been living in HOH with Vanessa in power. She slept up there last night. Vanessa is making herself guilty by association and Audrey doesn't care.

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1:30am Steve: Liz is flirting with me. Van: Liz or Julia. Steve: Both! I can't! I just can't have a showmance. It would put a target on me. NT

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I don't think you have to worry about that Steve

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Liz is so hot.

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Meg >> Liz and Julia

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Meg >> Liz and Julia

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Ummm...no...just no.

Don't get me wrong, I think Meg would make a better long term girlfriend than at least Liz (I'm not sure about Julia, she said she doesn't cheat so she may be good too), but there's no way she's hotter.

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Why doesn't anyone think Shelli is hot? Is it because she's 33?

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Because she's a over controlling bitch.