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re: Official Big Brother 17 Season Long Thread (Spoilers/Live Feeders/Maybe NSFW)
Posted on 7/16/15 at 8:44 am to AHM21
Posted on 7/16/15 at 8:44 am to AHM21
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Clay that I think he is searching for a reason to flip. Really, he could do it without Shelli. The way his alliance treats him should let him know they really don't trust him and will turn at first chance.
So everything that Jeff was trying to convey to him and is now going home for saying. Mainly due to the fact that Clay ran straight to Vanessa about Jeff. Damn I hate this game sometimes.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 11:27 am
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Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:02 am to AHM21
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The Joker role that Audrey plays in this house has me rooting for her.
That's a good analogy for her and I want her to stick around for that reason BUT I don't like hearing that she gets a free ride from fear of **** Twitter rage.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:16 am to Murray
I don't know. The house knows she's dangerous.
Last night, Austin and Vanessa were talking about plans to take her out. Double eviction. Five minutes later, she walks in and they vent to her about Clay and Shelli.
It's a strange thing. People know they can't trust her, but Audrey has enough information to blow up many games.
Last night, Austin and Vanessa were talking about plans to take her out. Double eviction. Five minutes later, she walks in and they vent to her about Clay and Shelli.
It's a strange thing. People know they can't trust her, but Audrey has enough information to blow up many games.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:26 am to Murray
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Murray
I miss Fez talking about BB. 9 years ago.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:27 am to AHM21
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The house knows she's dangerous
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People know they can't trust her
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has enough information to blow up many games
I don't get it. I don't watch the live feeds so I only see what's on CBS and what yall post in here. Why don't people just evict her? Nobody seems to REALLY like her much, she's a known liar, and she's annoying. She doens't bring anything ot the the table competition wise either. Why not just nip this in the bud and get her out? After the first 2 weeks it looked like a stone cold lock.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:33 am to WG_Dawg
People can take it as the house being scared to get rid of the trans, but it seems to me more like an Amanda situation (recent example) where the strong personality isn't a big threat, so they deal with it because they know he/she will be easy to get out when the time comes.
Audrey would likely be going home this week if not for Vanessa.
Audrey would likely be going home this week if not for Vanessa.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:38 am to AHM21
Yeah, she's pretty easy for someone to keep in their back pocket as insulation once they're no longer HOH. They always overthink these things, but it's easy to see why they do being in that house 24/7 with no outside communication.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:39 am to AHM21
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it seems to me more like an Amanda situation (recent example) where the strong personality isn't a big threat, so they deal with it because they know he/she will be easy to get out when the time comes.
I don't see that at all. Amanda may not have been good at comps, but she quite literally intimidated the whole house. People were terrified of her, and she even had a little errand boy come give her updates anytime anyone said anything bad about her. Audrey is the opposite, nobody likes/repects/fears her in the least bit (from what I've seen). She doens't have near the imposing presence amanda had.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:39 am to AHM21
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I don't know. The house knows she's dangerous.
Last night, Austin and Vanessa were talking about plans to take her out. Double eviction. Five minutes later, she walks in and they vent to her about Clay and Shelli.
It's a strange thing. People know they can't trust her, but Audrey has enough information to blow up many games.
The original plan back when Vanessa and Austin won BoB was to go after either Jeff or James, and not to backdoor Audrey because they felt that they could make Audrey feel safe with them and that if she won HoH she'd go after the other side first. They made the Sleeper Cell alliance with Audrey as a ploy to keep her close so she doesn't turn against them (it was meant to be a fake alliance). Vanessa came up with the plan to get Audrey out in double eviction back then so that Audrey doesn't have time to blow up their game. And originally, Vanessa's claim that she was having second thoughts about backdooring Audrey because of the LGBT stuff was just a smokescreen for the rest of the house.
The problem became when Audrey started camping out in the HoH room with Vanessa and talking game. I thought she was actually getting to Vanessa and actually putting thoughts in her head because Vanessa definitely over thinks stuff, and seems to get paranoid. But like I've said before, we can't really know what is going through Vanessa's head at this point because for all we know she is just keeping her true intentions to herself, and telling everyone else what they want or need to hear. She is a professional poker player, and has made millions in Vegas, so she knows how to play people. And if you notice when she's talking (when she's not being paranoid), she has very long pauses where it is obvious that she is very carefully planning on what she is saying, and gauging to herself how the recipients are going to react to what she is saying.
So whether or not Audrey was actually getting to Vanessa or not, I believe Vanessa has snapped back to her original plan to get Audrey out at double eviction, especially after her, Clay, and Shelli's talk about the things Audrey is saying to all of them about each other. That was right before Clay made the 90% comment that freaked Vanessa out.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:42 am to WG_Dawg
She has information. In this game, information is power.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:45 am to Bamatab
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She is a professional poker player, and has made millions in Vegas, so she knows how to play people.
She sucks at reading people in this house. She plays out of control and her game is driven by emotion. She needs to calm down or she'll be gone soon.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:47 am to WG_Dawg
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Audrey is the opposite, nobody likes/repects/fears her in the least bit (from what I've seen). She doens't have near the imposing presence amanda had.
And that is why people don't want to kick her out yet. Her staying in the house keeps a bigger target off of everyone else. No one will ever truly trust her, so she isn't a threat to become a part of a sturdy, multi-person alliance.
Before Austin and Vanessa you had two sides of the house. You had 6th Sense, and Jeff's group. So it make strategic sense to try and weaken the other side. Audrey was by herself, and everyone hated her. So in reality she wasn't an initial threat to 6th Sense since she would obviously go after the other side of the house before she went after 6th Sense. It really is as simple as that.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:59 am to AHM21
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She sucks at reading people in this house.
I disagree with you here. She had the game figured out before she stepped foot in the HoH. Audrey is the only one that might have been close to pulling the wool over her eyes, but that even seems to be squashed now. And she was quick to figure out that Austin threw the Veto, and that Jeff had successfully planted some doubts into Clay's head (which Clay admitted to Shelli last night). So her reading people is pretty darn good.
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She plays out of control and her game is driven by emotion. She needs to calm down or she'll be gone soon.
This is what is becoming more and more obvious. You can definitely tell that she is obsessing over game strategy, and not taking any down time from it which seems to be causing extreme paranoia. She needs to quite being so abrasive about confronting people, and stop trying to make contingency plans for what hasn't even happened yet. I thought her biggest mistake so far (besides letting Audrey camp out up there all week), was pulling Steve into a side alliance without Clay and Shelli knowing about it. That is just asking for trouble, and I thought it would blow up on her when Julia let it slip to Shelli that Steve already knows about the twins. Vanessa's biggest problem right now is that she is making the same mistake Jeff, Jace, and Devin from last season made, which is playing way too hard too soon. If she would've stuck with the original 6th Sense alliance, and kept Audrey out of the HoH room all week, she'd be sitting pretty right now.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 10:06 am
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:11 am to WG_Dawg
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I don't watch the live feeds so I only see what's on CBS and what yall post in here.
Damn, why not? You are really missing out. The live feeds are what makes this show so interesting, especially this season since it is non-stop game play.
The only downside is that you won't be getting much sleep since most of the good stuff happens after 9:00 PT (11:00 CT).
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:12 am to Bamatab
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So her reading people is pretty darn good.
Before this week, was Jeff coming after Vanessa?
Is Audrey planting doubts in others about Vanessa?
I just think her read on this house has her working with a weak player (Austin) who is going to damage the alliance that she's working with.
Jason knows what's going on. I'd argue he has as good of a read as anyone, he's just not very strong alliance wise. Listening to him talk to Meg, he knows the twins have an alliance with Vanessa and that the alliance is using them to gain a number. He has been spot on about twists and has a far better understanding of the game.
Vanessa has aligned herself with two twins, a couple, and an idiot. If she makes it to a final six and fails to win, who's on the outside looking in? And with how she's talked down to her alliance all week, I doubt she makes it that far.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 10:15 am
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:26 am to AHM21
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:28 am to AHM21
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Before this week, was Jeff coming after Vanessa?
Jeff may not have been coming after her directly, but did make comments to several people that he planned to come after one of her alliance members (Austin) before jury, and another one (Shelli) at some point in the near future. So he was definitely the biggest threat to her alliance at this point in the game.
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I just think her read on this house has her working with a weak player (Austin) who is going to damage the alliance that she's working with.
She really had no choice but to work with Austin because she was on the outside of everything back a couple weeks ago when Shelli got HoH, and Austin was the only one willing to work with her at that point. It was more of an alliance of opportunity, especially since Austin also had Liz (and eventually Julia), and she needed numbers. She tried to get into an alliance with Jeff, Shelli, and Clay; but that obviously wasn't going to happen.
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Jason knows what's going on. I'd argue he has as good of a read as anyone, he's just not very strong alliance wise. Listening to him talk to Meg, he knows the twins have an alliance with Vanessa and that the alliance is using them to gain a number. He has been spot on about twists and has a far better understanding of the game.
Jason's problem is he figured it out way too late. Vanessa had everything figured out about his group last week.
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Vanessa has aligned herself with two twins, a couple, and an idiot. If she makes it to a final six and fails to win, who's on the outside looking in? And with how she's talked down to her alliance all week, I doubt she makes it that far.
I can't argue with a lot of that, and that may be why she is overthinking things. But she can still work her group to her advantage, especially if Clay and Shelli get broken up by the other side at some point. She just doesn't need to isolate Clay and Shelli at this point in the game.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:28 am to Bamatab
Im sure this has been covered but Van and Austin going down to bathroom for that confrontation looked soooo poor and staged. Jeff should have caught on to it
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:52 am to wish i was tebow
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Im sure this has been covered but Van and Austin going down to bathroom for that confrontation looked soooo poor and staged. Jeff should have caught on to it
Not only that, but Clay and Shelli were already confronting him in the bathroom before Van and Austin walked in. He should've definitely caught on.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:54 am to wish i was tebow
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Im sure this has been covered but Van and Austin going down to bathroom for that confrontation looked soooo poor and staged. Jeff should have caught on to it
I haven't finished last night's episode yet because I'm traveling, but I made it far enough for it to see that Austin is the one wanting Jeff gone.
Vanessa clearly states she wants James gone, even after Austin keeps pushing to put Jeff up. Austin gets Jeff to say "we need Shelli gone." It worked, but lets be clear; from the way the last few days have played out, is there any doubt that Jeff is leaving because he was too close to Liz and Austin wants him gone? Austin has said that "Steve is next" because he won't stay away from Liz.
The fight was staged by Audrey. She comes to HOH, says we need a reason to put Jeff up, and Austin leads the charge downstairs. That's what confuses me. As big a pain in the arse that Vanessa is about having her alliances support, her alliance has ran wild this entire week. She has had little control.
I have no idea how Jeff didn't catch on, but it should show that he's really not that strong of a player. Even if he is going after Shelli, he has no clue what is going on to the extent of a Jason, James, or even Jackie.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 11:56 am
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