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re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:34 am to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:34 am to Tiger Ryno
Double post
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 9:43 am
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Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:35 am to Tiger Ryno
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emotional moments are not teh same thing as writing characters and developing them so the audience cares about them. I care about Lloyd Christmas in Dumnb and Dumber but it has nothing to do with emotional moments
So you don't care about these new characters because they weren't introduced in earlier films?
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:37 am to EarthwormJim
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So you don't care about these new characters because they weren't introduced in earlier films?
no, we don't care about these new characters because they weren't properly introduced in the current film.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:37 am to EarthwormJim
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The film takes place 8 years after the last installment, of course there will be new characters. Do you complain about all movies because they introduce new characters?
They just didn't do a very good job of introducing the new characters. Nolan needed to give some supporting characters lesser roles and needed to dig deeper into a select few. Selina Kyle and Bane for sure.
And as far as Blake goes.. he just randomly shows up at Bruce's house and knows he is Batman? That came out of nowhere.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:42 am to Tiger Ryno
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all but Alfred were brand new characters to the trilogy coming in very late and all the sudden they are the most critical. I wish Nolan had introduced Talia earlier on maybe even in BB in a very minor role to at least build the reality that she was moving into position
Gordon and Fox were two main returning characters. You wanted to know who Talia Al Guhl was in BB. Introducing Talia in BB would have given her away for TDKR, there would be no surprise to pretty much the whole story.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:45 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Introducing Talia in BB would have given her away for TDKR, there would be no surprise to pretty much the whole story.
yeah, but introducing Tate as a minor character who supported Bruce in his energy objective would have been enough. Just a minor mention, one scene even to add her character. at least you would know who she is. heck, at least have her on the board in the first two movies.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:46 am to Rohan2Reed
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And as far as Blake goes.. he just randomly shows up at Bruce's house and knows he is Batman? That came out of nowhere.
I thought so too until someone another forum pointed out that this scene pretty much came from the comics. Tim Drake, one of the many Robins to team up with Batman, figured out that Bruce Wayne was Batman in a similar manner.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:46 am to hashtag
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no, we don't care about these new characters because they weren't properly introduced in the current film.
I just disagree, but you're entitled to that opinion.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:46 am to hashtag
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yeah, but introducing Tate as a minor character who supported Bruce in his energy objective would have been enough. Just a minor mention, one scene even to add her character. at least you would know who she is. heck, at least have her on the board in the first two movies.
This is what I'm talking about.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:47 am to hashtag
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yeah, but introducing Tate as a minor character who supported Bruce in his energy objective would have been enough. Just a minor mention, one scene even to add her character. at least you would know who she is. heck, at least have her on the board in the first two movies.
You are acting like this trilogy was planned out in detail from the very start. It wasn't.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:47 am to hashtag
I agree, slack. The surprise fell a little flat because the audience never gained her trust as a "good guy" or even someone really relevant.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:48 am to RollTide1987
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I thought so too until someone another forum pointed out that this scene pretty much came from the comics. Tim Drake, one of the many Robins to team up with Batman, figured out that Bruce Wayne was Batman in a similar manner.
well done movies should not have to depend on the audience scouring additional outside material to put 2 and 2 together. you fail to realize this.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:49 am to Rohan2Reed
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They just didn't do a very good job of introducing the new characters. Nolan needed to give some supporting characters lesser roles and needed to dig deeper into a select few. Selina Kyle and Bane for sure.
That would have just made the other two movies jumbled with two much going on. BB = Scarecrow/Ra's Al Guhl. TDKR = Joker/Two-Face(Harvey Dent) amd the group of mobsters depending on how you look at it. TDKR = Bane/Talia Al Guhl(Miranda Tate and Blake. There was really only one more main character that they added compared to the first two. Amirite or am I missing something?
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And as far as Blake goes.. he just randomly shows up at Bruce's house and knows he is Batman? That came out of nowhere.
Agreed.
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 9:50 am
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:51 am to RollTide1987
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You are acting like this trilogy was planned out in detail from the very start. It wasn't.
and, that is my fault as a viewer?
there was zero reason to believe that Tate was a good character, and therefore her turning heel was meaningless. And, that was a major turning point of the movie. it was a failure, IMO.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:53 am to RollTide1987
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You are acting like this trilogy was planned out in detail from the very start. It wasn't
and that is a major problem when a director like Nolan plainly states he is doing a definitive story arch on the character and really putting a definitive "end" to this story. This wasn't like the James Bond movies, he was going for something more like the star wars originals, where there is a clear ending. IF you are going to do that you need to have more of the overall story defined and if you are going to use characters for MAJOR things in teh conclusion of hte story, you need to think it out a little better so we actually care what happens.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:55 am to RollTide1987
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You are acting like this trilogy was planned out in detail from the very start. It wasn't.
Good point. I still believe this story would have been completely different if Heath Ledger were still alive.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:55 am to hashtag
Why would they introduce Tate as a board member in begins. Ra's doesn't die until the end and revenge is her principle motivation.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:57 am to CGB Spender
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Why would they introduce Tate as a board member in begins. Ra's doesn't die until the end and revenge is her principle motivation.
then introduce her in TDK. literally, a 20 second scene where she throws money and support behind Wayne's energy initiative, and have her sitting on the board in the film.
i'm starting to believe that the "8 years later" might be what hurts this film the most. as theunknownknight points out, they could have made this 4 films and had the 3rd film filling in the holes that TDKR had.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:58 am to hashtag
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yeah, but introducing Tate as a minor character who supported Bruce in his energy objective would have been enough. Just a minor mention, one scene even to add her character. at least you would know who she is. heck, at least have her on the board in the first two movies.
You think some actress would want to sit on a board for two movies, basically be no part of it, just to possibly be a bigger character seven years down the road?
I seriously doubt they even knew how they were going to take the movie at point. And if you're just missing a "minor mention" why does that even bother you? 
Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:01 am to Tiger Ryno
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well done movies should not have to depend on the audience scouring additional outside material to put 2 and 2 together. you fail to realize this.
It just matter-of-factly presented something the way it happened on the page. How is that asking you to scour for info?
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