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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)
Posted on 12/25/15 at 8:26 am to Byron Bojangles III
Posted on 12/25/15 at 8:26 am to Byron Bojangles III
A lot of these guys deserve worse than threats... Anyone else not go crazy when the Sheriff called in Teresa's license plate and his reactions when being asked about it?
Posted on 12/25/15 at 8:34 am to Mayfair2Pville
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A lot of these guys deserve worse than threats... Anyone else not go crazy when the Sheriff called in Teresa's license plate and his reactions when being asked about it?
They were well on their way to reasonable doubt when i saw this. I was just stunned that the officers were so brazen and when confronted, couldnt remember anything.
Posted on 12/25/15 at 12:31 pm to Commandeaux
Wish I never watched it. Almost up there with Dear Zachary as to my frustration level.
Posted on 12/25/15 at 4:17 pm to GaTiger77
Yeah "I do not recall" made me more and more pissed off each time they said it
This post was edited on 12/25/15 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 12/25/15 at 5:04 pm to 5 Deep
I wonder if people actually make enough noise to get them some kind of appeal or chance of getting out
Brendan's case is so fricking weak I gotta think he has a decent chance if he ever gets a new trial
Brendan's case is so fricking weak I gotta think he has a decent chance if he ever gets a new trial
This post was edited on 12/25/15 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 12/25/15 at 5:34 pm to gatortrav88
Think I saw on the subreddit last night that he's still in the appeals process unlike SA who has apparently gone through it all
Posted on 12/25/15 at 6:02 pm to LesGeaux45
Thanks for the recommendation, I saw the advertisement on Netflix recently, but didn't know if it was any good, so I opted to rewatch Breaking Bad for the zillionth time. Will watch MaM later tonight.
Posted on 12/25/15 at 6:20 pm to Vegas Tigerette
Trying to get my dad to watch it and my new lady friend is watching it tonight
Posted on 12/25/15 at 11:24 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Just finished. Extremely pissed off on what's supposed to be the happiest day of the year.
Posted on 12/25/15 at 11:48 pm to massiveattack
Same. Started yesterday morning and finished this afternoon. I hope with this coming out, all the crooked bastards get what they most certainly deserve.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 12:17 am to SwampDonks
We are binge watching at 1am. OMG I hate the judge the cops the lawyers. So dirty. Did anyone catch "Frame him? We could have just as easily killed him." said by the stand up sheriff? I am never going to WI.
I hate humanity.
I hate humanity.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 12:29 am to liz18lsu
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I am never going to WI.
i consider the state to be an enemy of the US at this point.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 3:45 am to McLemore
I finished this series last night on the recommendation of JBeam. I haven't read through the thread, but will later.
First, this was a great documentary. Docs in general get good reviews because they shed a light on perhaps an unknown story, but the quality is sometimes lacking. Not the case here.
Second, anyone that watches this entire documentary series and doesn't have a big WTF?!? coming out has serious issues.
Instead of focusing on the Steven Avery case, which I have mixed thoughts on, how the frick Brendan Massey was convicted within hours and his conviction upheld by appellate court and WI supreme court is unimaginable. Any reasonable person that watched the interrogations knew he was coerced into a confession. And then enter his "lawyer" the "lawyer's PI" etc. Unbelievable.
I want to know where is the evidence. For such a horrific crime, where is Massey's physical tie? None. No blood, fingerprints, hair, DNA overall. He's not tied to the Rav4 that maybe Avery was - of course questionable.
Here is the case that I see it against Massey:
1. 16 year old 73 IQ confesses.
2. Not one other shred of evidence that correlates his confession or even places him at crime.
3. fricked.
And #1 is so amazingly coerced and manipulated that this kid had no chance and is #3.
I've watched many documentaries resembling this. Paradise Lost series comes the closest that I've seen.
Takeaway is criminal justice system is broken.
I'd bet $1k of my money that Lenk planted evidence multiple times on Avery.
ETA: Read through the thread. Same page.
First, this was a great documentary. Docs in general get good reviews because they shed a light on perhaps an unknown story, but the quality is sometimes lacking. Not the case here.
Second, anyone that watches this entire documentary series and doesn't have a big WTF?!? coming out has serious issues.
Instead of focusing on the Steven Avery case, which I have mixed thoughts on, how the frick Brendan Massey was convicted within hours and his conviction upheld by appellate court and WI supreme court is unimaginable. Any reasonable person that watched the interrogations knew he was coerced into a confession. And then enter his "lawyer" the "lawyer's PI" etc. Unbelievable.
I want to know where is the evidence. For such a horrific crime, where is Massey's physical tie? None. No blood, fingerprints, hair, DNA overall. He's not tied to the Rav4 that maybe Avery was - of course questionable.
Here is the case that I see it against Massey:
1. 16 year old 73 IQ confesses.
2. Not one other shred of evidence that correlates his confession or even places him at crime.
3. fricked.
And #1 is so amazingly coerced and manipulated that this kid had no chance and is #3.
I've watched many documentaries resembling this. Paradise Lost series comes the closest that I've seen.
Takeaway is criminal justice system is broken.
I'd bet $1k of my money that Lenk planted evidence multiple times on Avery.
ETA: Read through the thread. Same page.
This post was edited on 12/26/15 at 4:12 am
Posted on 12/26/15 at 8:08 am to drizztiger
I'm still just VERY casually perusing the thread since I'm still watching, I finished episode 4 last night. Man this is frustrating as hell, like to the point it makes me angry. I don't really WANT to keep watching, but at this point I'm in far enough that I have to. How in the world could these people POSSIBLY get away with all this in light of this documentary? I mean, obviously all this information has been known in some way before the doc, but when you put it all together in a one stop shop format like this, how could the higher ups not just in WI but in Washington not be like "ok, enough is enough. This is bullshite and we have to do something about it"?
Also, was any explanation given why this entire law enforcement department of Manitowoc has it out for the averys to begin with? Yeah I know they're an easy target and Steven had a few crimes as a youth (I think one was harmless and one was somewhat serious), but why would they carry on a LIFETIME vendetta against them? It's maddening what they did not just to Steven but Brendan. Makes me sad there's actually people in the world like that.
ETA: I've avoided reading anything on reddit about it because I don't want to see any "spoilers" I guess, but a buddy said that people on reddit have been talking about it big time recently. Knowing the reddit community, does anyone know if any efforts have been done to support the family in any way? Like sending them money or anything?
Also, was any explanation given why this entire law enforcement department of Manitowoc has it out for the averys to begin with? Yeah I know they're an easy target and Steven had a few crimes as a youth (I think one was harmless and one was somewhat serious), but why would they carry on a LIFETIME vendetta against them? It's maddening what they did not just to Steven but Brendan. Makes me sad there's actually people in the world like that.
ETA: I've avoided reading anything on reddit about it because I don't want to see any "spoilers" I guess, but a buddy said that people on reddit have been talking about it big time recently. Knowing the reddit community, does anyone know if any efforts have been done to support the family in any way? Like sending them money or anything?
This post was edited on 12/26/15 at 8:09 am
Posted on 12/26/15 at 8:32 am to WG_Dawg
It's idiocracy played out in real life.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 10:28 am to thermal9221
From Reddit
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I was born and raised in Green Bay, and I remember very well when the Teresa Halbach case started. I was pretty young, still in elementary school, so I wasn't able to grasp everything that was happening but payed enough attention to get the gist of the scene. It was probably the biggest individual crime to hit the area during my childhood, so it was hard to miss with all of the reporting going on.
I knew that Steven Avery had just been exonerated from his previous conviction, and there was a lot of uncertainty about who did it and what was going on on his property. People still gave him the benefit of the doubt, and his guilt was still in question. Then when the Brendan confession dropped, that was it. I remember the broadcast when it aired and not watching it when they said anyone under 15 should turn it off (I was a good little boy), but I heard second hand that it was incredibly grisly and incriminating.
I and everyone around me was convinced that Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey did it. Not a shred of doubt left in my mind. The media storm around it was as real as portrayed in the series, it was virtually impossible to be a person in northeast Wisconsin and not believe they were not simply guilty but monsters of the most gruesome nature, as is the tradition set in Wisconsin by Jeffrey Dahmer and Ed Gein. People wanted capital punishment to be reinstated, because nobody who committed a crime like this deserved to keep on living. And I've believed they were guilty, that Steven Avery was this idiot who got out of prison and then immediately turned around and murdered someone, for the last ten years.
When my coworker told me about the series, I was shocked. No way he could be innocent. He told me some of the things they had found, and I was hooked before I'd even started the show. I went home and began with episode one, and for the last few days with what little free time I've had I've pushed through the whole series. It feels like reality has completely unraveled. I never heard a word about the evidence possibly being planted or tampered with (or how legitimately good a possibility that was). I never heard about the lawsuit. I never heard about the officers being involved in Avery's previous conviction. I never heard about the charges being dropped due to the bullshite of Brendan's confession. I never even heard that Brendan's confession was bullshite in the first place. Not once was either of them painted in a remotely human light in my mind. And it wasn't just because I was a child. I told my parents about these things as I learned from the documentary, and they were just as shocked as I was. I'd like to think they keep up with the news enough to be reasonably informed. Something I was convinced of for a decade, and convinced of it because the sources I considered to be honest, trustworthy, and reputable during my childhood assured me so, turned out to be far less sure than I thought, if not completely false.
I'm coming away from this angry, sickened, and fearful. I'm disgusted with the media in the Green Bay/NEW area for their portrayal of Avery, Dassey, and the trial. I'm disgusted with the Manitowoc County PD and, while I didn't grow up in that county, I've lost a lot of comfort I've had before with police. It's one thing to know about police corruption, but to know that the justice system got so fricked in a place so small and so close to where I grew up, to the point where Brendan Dassey currently resides in a prison within half a mile of my childhood home, makes me sick to my stomach. And I'm disgusted with myself for having latched on to the story that was being shoveled out, not simply believing that they murdered Teresa Halbach but that they were indeed two of the most evil, detestable people I'd ever heard of.
Living in a place like Chicago now, it certainly doesn't help with being comfortable with authority after all of the scandal currently unfolding. I know that there are many trustworthy people working in law enforcement, and I know that the odds of me getting railroaded like these two are pretty slim. It's just getting harder to give the benefit of the doubt. I can't help but now feel that, even as a law-abiding citizen, I'm never perfectly safe. All it takes is being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Edit: a word
Posted on 12/26/15 at 11:05 am to goldenbadger08
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To me, the most ridiculous part that keeps sticking out in my mind is when they play the recording of Sgt. Andrew Colborn asking dispatch to look up a license plate that turns out to be Teresa's car 3 days before it's reported found
Yep. This part was bone chilling for me. That guy was looking at the vehicle when he made that call. You can't convince me otherwise.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 11:08 am to skullhawk
I've tried to avoid spoilers but I want to get yalls take. How would you rank the offenders by way of their shittiness/involvement/vendetta/part in this?
I've only seen 4 episodes, but to me it seems like the one guy who was a lower level guy in 85 then worked his way up by the Theresa murder (Hamilton maybe? Kenneth?) seems to be the biggest crook. Colborn is up there, I guess just by orders from Hamilton, and lenk seems to be the hands on guy.
Would yall say those 3 are the biggest people behind all this?
Oh also, in the episode I just watched it talked about Brendan's public defender (Len something). He was clearly in on this by how mind numbingly incompetent he was. Does it say how this happened? Like, does someone approach him and pay him off to do a crap job?
I've only seen 4 episodes, but to me it seems like the one guy who was a lower level guy in 85 then worked his way up by the Theresa murder (Hamilton maybe? Kenneth?) seems to be the biggest crook. Colborn is up there, I guess just by orders from Hamilton, and lenk seems to be the hands on guy.
Would yall say those 3 are the biggest people behind all this?
Oh also, in the episode I just watched it talked about Brendan's public defender (Len something). He was clearly in on this by how mind numbingly incompetent he was. Does it say how this happened? Like, does someone approach him and pay him off to do a crap job?
Posted on 12/26/15 at 12:01 pm to WG_Dawg
You have to watch it all. it just gets worse and more unbelievable (not a big spoiler there).
I'll elaborate on my Wisconsin being an enemy of the US proclamation (extreme sounding but supportable), after more people have had a chance to watch all 10 episodes.
eta: I'll say this: Lenk is a TPOS. That could be gleaned from the first couple episodes.
The main prosecutor (Katz) is the least desirable character on the show IMO, but I'm not sure...[no spoiler]
close runner-up: Len Kachinsky-- his nervous laughter reminds me of Fargo's Jerry Lundegaard (William H Macy).
I'll elaborate on my Wisconsin being an enemy of the US proclamation (extreme sounding but supportable), after more people have had a chance to watch all 10 episodes.
eta: I'll say this: Lenk is a TPOS. That could be gleaned from the first couple episodes.
The main prosecutor (Katz) is the least desirable character on the show IMO, but I'm not sure...[no spoiler]
close runner-up: Len Kachinsky-- his nervous laughter reminds me of Fargo's Jerry Lundegaard (William H Macy).
This post was edited on 12/26/15 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 12/26/15 at 3:21 pm to McLemore
My friend just started it and is sending me like 6 texts at a time 
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