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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)
Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:22 pm to Rou Leed
Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:22 pm to Rou Leed
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There is no sufficient motive for the police to frame Steve the second time. At least not presented in the show.
Uhh...what? The local police department/city hall was on the hook for the 36 million dollars (if proven truly negligent, which they clearly were). That would have personally bankrupted both the named cops.
The police had the motive, means, and opportunity.
Teresa comes to photo Steven's sister's car. Tadych, her boyfriend who has a history of impulsive violent assault against women, is at her home next door at the time. His only alibi is Bobby (his now stepson) and Bobby's only alibi is Tadych. Tadych obviously killed her. It was proven he tried to hurriedly sell off a 22 rifle to a nearby friend (I mean COME ON).
The police arrive. They probably know Tadych is a legit suspect. Do they investigate him? No. Why? Because this is the perfect opportunity to discredit Avery and keep from going bankrupt.
This guy is the killer:
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 11:24 pm
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:29 pm to Rou Leed
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There is no way human remains can be planted in the backyard fire pit without someone living there knowing. They worked there. They didn't leave to go to work. Someone is always there
Just to clarify:
For how many days did the cops remove Avery from his property and force him to move into his parents house?
During the search, who were the only persons allowed access to his property?
Once the search of the property began, how many days into the search did they discover bones in the fire pit?
Posted on 1/12/16 at 2:28 am to Bluefin
quote:I agree that that was the ultimate goal of the doc, and I believe they accomplished that. I also agree that you should not decide the guilt or innocence of Avery based on this show. It would have been impossible for them to document EVERYTHING. The only people who cooperated with the film makers were on the side of the defense. I didn't see anyone else interviewed or spoken to by the film makers. We had to go by what was already recorded, and we didn't see the trial in it's entirety. I'm still not saying I don't like that the guy is locked up based on what I know, but it would be unfair for me to decide his fate based on what I know. Juries are selected based on their prior knowledge of the case. I could never be one.
Like others, however, I don't think the point of this doc was to make Avery look innocent - it was to point out the major flaws in our justice system and what corruption within law enforcement can lead to.
But you are right. This is not what the debate should be about. It should be about the many mistakes and wrongdoings by some of the authority figures in this case, which I think most people can agree on.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 8:45 am to theunknownknight
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This guy is the killer:
Ding Ding Ding!!!
Posted on 1/12/16 at 8:47 am to Salmon
Mike Halbach was convinced the Avery's were guilty before knowing anything about the case. "We love the police." Kid is a scumbag.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:00 am to Blue Velvet
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Mike Halbach was convinced the Avery's were guilty before knowing anything about the case. "We love the police." Kid is a scumbag.
I remember in one of the middle episodes when they were interviewing him about brendan's confession and he was all fired up like "yeah we finally got em" or something, then a reporter asked if he'd seen the tape of the confession and he was like "no not yet" lol
Guy's a punk
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:25 am to Rou Leed
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The part that is absurd is these men with jobs and families would risk everything to setup a halfwit working at a salvage yard.
What is more absurd is you not understanding that their jobs , families and reputations were ALREADY at risk because of Avery.
How are you not putting this together? 36 million would destroy that department.
shite half of that would kill the entire thing off and all of those guys careers would be in the shitter. They had everything to lose.
This post was edited on 1/12/16 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:31 am to Rou Leed
quote:
There is no sufficient motive for the police to frame Steve the second time. At least not presented in the show. There is no way human remains can be planted in the backyard fire pit without someone living there knowing. They worked there. They didn't leave to go to work. Someone is always there. To suggest police planted bone matter is accusing them of killing the girl at some other location because they would have been the only ones capable of doing that.
Dude someone was not there the entire time. The Avery's had to leave the property during the 7 day search.
Did you even watch the doc?
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:34 am to STLhog
Lou Reed is obviously in law enforcement.
Shoot first, ask questions later type.
Shoot first, ask questions later type.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 10:49 am to Blue Velvet
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Mike Halbach was convinced the Avery's were guilty before knowing anything about the case. "We love the police." Kid is a scumbag.
Yeah, but you also have to understand the place that he's coming from. He's looking to get some closure into his sister's death, and it's easy for him to accept what the cops are telling him. I can't imagine what it's like to lose a sibling in that manner, but I know I'd be looking for closure also, and may not be thinking straight when the police are telling me that they caught the guy who did it.
It's definitely frustrating to watch and see no skepticism coming from him.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 11:05 am to Rou Leed
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The victim personally identified him the first time. The guy looked similar enough to the attacker to be identified as the guy. I think they didn't include the real criminal in the first case because they were supposed to have him under surveillance and it would have made them look extremely incompetent. It wasn't because a secretary didn't like Steve. It was a genuine mistake with maybe some cya regarding surveillance, but it was not enough of a reason to frame the guy for the second crime.
And what was the reason - 10 years into the wrongful imprisonment - that they decided to simply ignore (and not even document) an incoming call from an adjacent jurisdiction claiming to have the correct perp in custody?
Sheesh, you're a hack.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 11:12 am to Blue Velvet
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Mike Halbach was convinced the Avery's were guilty before knowing anything about the case. "We love the police." Kid is a scumbag.
The hate for the brother of a murder victim on this board is insane to me. I watched the entire thing and the guy didn't do anything I thought was out of line. He lost his damn sister. Of course he wants the police to catch the person who did it and of course he's happy when he thinks they got a confession and can get some closure on the situation.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 11:16 am to 12Buck
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The hate for the brother of a murder victim on this board is insane to me. I watched the entire thing and the guy didn't do anything I thought was out of line. He lost his damn sister. Of course he wants the police to catch the person who did it and of course he's happy when he thinks they got a confession and can get some closure on the situation.
I give him a pass based on the situation, but he was shockingly unlikable.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 11:29 am to Blue Velvet
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Mike Halbach was convinced the Avery's
In Episode 3, it appears that Chuck Avery was pretty convinced that Steven was guilty. So, there's that.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 11:37 am to Big Scrub TX
I don't understand why he felt the need to be such a vocal, prominent front-man for the prosecution before the media. If I lost a loved one to a killer I'd just let the process be the process and wouldn't seek opportunities to make speeches and grandstand all the time. Where are her parents? Assuming they even need a spokesperson (and I don't think they do) why is he, the maybe 20 year old kid brother, the family's sole spokesperson?
I don't think that makes him a suspect, it's just weird.
I don't think that makes him a suspect, it's just weird.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 11:37 am to SUB
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Yeah, but you also have to understand the place that he's coming from. He's looking to get some closure into his sister's death, and it's easy for him to accept what the cops are telling him. I can't imagine what it's like to lose a sibling in that manner, but I know I'd be looking for closure also, and may not be thinking straight when the police are telling me that they caught the guy who did it.
It's definitely frustrating to watch and see no skepticism coming from him.
See the comment about grieving before her body was found. Don't most family members in these situations hold out hope for almost TOO much time. It was like 2 or 3 days into the search and he's grieving? Just weird.
Again, Steven Avery is still the most likely suspect, but still.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 11:43 am to theunknownknight
Tadych came off as creep to me, too. It's funny how he and Big Bobby are each other's alibis, and that the method of their alibification is passing each other on the road in their trucks on the way to go hunting.
Plus, you have third brother stating that Bobby was still asleep at the time he was supposedly watching Steven and the victim before leaving to go hunting, which is also right before supposedly he passed Tadych. Which calls into question their mutual alibification, which is shaky to begin with.
Plus, you have third brother stating that Bobby was still asleep at the time he was supposedly watching Steven and the victim before leaving to go hunting, which is also right before supposedly he passed Tadych. Which calls into question their mutual alibification, which is shaky to begin with.
This post was edited on 1/12/16 at 11:45 am
Posted on 1/12/16 at 11:55 am to Cooter Davenport
I asked like 20 pages ago but don't remember getting an answer....is there a reason tadych hates steven so much? There was one clip after SA was convicted the 2nd go around adn they interviewed tadych and he said something like "good, he got what was coming to him. He deserves it". What is the history there between those 2?
Posted on 1/12/16 at 12:07 pm to Cooter Davenport
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to make speeches and grandstand all the time.
He learned from the scumbag master - Kratz - after that presposterous snuff-film-esque press conference.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 12:08 pm to WG_Dawg
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I asked like 20 pages ago but don't remember getting an answer....is there a reason tadych hates steven so much? There was one clip after SA was convicted the 2nd go around adn they interviewed tadych and he said something like "good, he got what was coming to him. He deserves it". What is the history there between those 2?
I don't think anyone knows the answer to this.
Tadych looks disturbed to me. He has a very violent past against women.
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