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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by putt23
Pingree Grove, IL
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:54 pm to
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No different things altogether. It did'nt shown in the documentary but Teresa had told her bosses she didn't want to go back to Avery's because he answered the door in a towel and it made her uncomfortable. Also he tried to contact her the day of the murder using *67 before she showed up. That was left out in the series


Well that's a huge difference for me. I remember him saying someone was calling her, but I feel like it was around the time they were talking about the roommate and ex.
Posted by Yellerhammer5
Member since Oct 2012
11016 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:00 pm to
Well, the prosecutors job is to use the evidence as convincingly as possible to win their case once they've decided to go to trial, not find the truth. That is the judge and jury's job and I didn't see anything in this second trial from either that seemed unfair to the defense (other than local jurors). The cops obviously were behaving unprofessionally and the cops from that county continuously got involved despite orders not to.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7915 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:00 pm to
They checked the phone records I believe those calls mentioned in the series wasnt Avery. They were coming before she even met Avery. They showed that in the series to introduce the idea of someone else that could have done the murder
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7915 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:03 pm to
I was referring to the cops. The DA as slimy as he was did his job well. I can't stand the guy and hope he gets degenerative anal disease but he did his job.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:10 pm to
Man, this story is full of creepy frickers. Here's my power rankings:

Colburn

Lenk

The step-dad

Her ex.. really set off my creep alarms and definitely knows more about this

Her brother.. ditto

The head prosecutor

Pretty much the entire Avery clan

SO many things that were teased but never answered. Crazy shite.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:26 pm to
Hottie power rankings:

Reporter girl

Bus driver

Steve's Ma
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11377 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:28 pm to
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Man, this story is full of creepy frickers. Here's my power rankings:


You left off Avery himself..

That is the problem with the documentary and what everybody seems to be forgetting (which is why the jury convicted him). He is a violent felon with a proven history of abusing women. He has served 3 different prison sentences (justly) for 3 felony convictions. He was also suspected in numerous other crimes, includes raping a woman that wouldn't testify because of Avery intimidating her. He had orders of protection placed against him by his ex-gf. He wrote to his ex-wife threatening to kill and dis-member her. He is a deviant that bought bdsm gear and told fellow inmates that he wanted to build a rape chamber.. This is the guy everybody wants released now. It's just amazing..
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7915 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:46 pm to
You can't put someone in jail for being creepy. Not arguing the other points of this guy because I haven't researched. But he shouldn't have been put in jail for murder based off of what I read and I saw
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11377 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 8:15 pm to
That's the problem, none of us saw everything. The closing arguments alone took 2 days. I was angry after watching the show and I still want the police/DA's office to be investigated and punished for horrible practices. But I never felt that letting Avery go was an option and the more I read about him the less I feel sympathy. I am disgusted that people are treating him like a victim. He is a criminal, plain and simple.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 8:20 pm to
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You left off Avery himself..
I included the entire Avery clan.
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 8:41 pm to
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Her ex.. really set off my creep alarms and definitely knows more about this

Her brother.. ditto


The fact that her brother thought it was a grand idea to delete specific voicemail messages is still a red flag to me.
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38455 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 10:53 pm to
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Too many weird things going on with the evidence and the courrpt police department for me to think he did it.
There was definitely some corrupt stuff going on with the police, but he did that shite.
Posted by Respublica88
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Nov 2011
3618 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:21 pm to
On episode 9 .... Holy canola oil batman

The prosecution was only about getting this dude
Convicted.

Idk if it's been mentioned but the judge in the case was clearly in over his head. On what world or realm of possibility do you allow admission into evidence a DNA test that hasn't been used in 10 years (quoting defense) nor for the purposes sought out by the prosecution .... Which was to show that the blood was not planted
Posted by Markie812
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
2942 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:35 pm to
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The prosecution was only about getting this dude
Convicted.


Well, that is their job.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39417 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:44 pm to
The creepiest character was the "assigned defense attorney" to Brendan - who was obviously in cahoots.

Pin Prick in the blood vial - seals the deal.

Nobody does that - you are not allowed to do that - labs don't do that. Broken seal, removed blood...etc. That's about as clear cut as you can get for reasonable doubt.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 11:46 pm
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20890 posts
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:55 pm to
Just finished this about an hour ago. (Spoilers)

Spoilers:

After reading around on the internet, I think Steve Avery is most likely guilty and the world is a better place with him behind bars. I think Brendan Dassey may have helped or saw something but is too mentally retarded to be sentenced to at least fifty years in prison for 1st degree murder.

I also think the documentary was less about Avery and more about the judicial system's failure to presume innocence and prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't really know what the solution is. I think Steve Avery killed Theresa Halbach. I think the state tried to make damn sure he went to prison for it and manipulated evidence. I think the courtroom was a circus. I think the fascinating coincidence of the state wrongly convicting this murder suspect tarnished any chance of an unbiased jury of peers.

I think this documentary displayed what many Americans think about our justice system, about police officers, about the law. That because of their class or race or background or reputation or intelligence, they will not be granted a fair trial with a just and true verdict.

I would like to see a comparison between this case and the Casey Anthony case. Both cases feature tons of evidence to convict along with reasonable doubt; however, the one called innocent was young and pretty and the one called guilty was an outcast.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 11:55 pm
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38455 posts
Posted on 1/3/16 at 12:05 am to
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is too mentally retarded
I think he's smarter than he showed at times. He did pretty damn good on the stand and didn't get shaken up at all. He locked up and shut his mouth most of the time, but on the stand he did perfectly. I do think he was slow. I think he had a small role in it and I think he was mentally scarred from what he saw. I do not think he deserved life in prison, though. I just think his second set of lawyers would have tried more to establish his mental stability if there was a question. With the way he performed on the stand, I don't think any jury would come to that conclusion.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11377 posts
Posted on 1/3/16 at 12:53 am to
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Pin Prick in the blood vial - seals the deal. Nobody does that - you are not allowed to do that - labs don't do that. Broken seal, removed blood...etc. That's about as clear cut as you can get for reasonable doubt.


Wow, just totally wrong. How is the tube filled then? The pin prick is how the blood gets into the tube (LINK Once again, you just saw it on the show and assumed that it had to be true. The blood was tested numerous times for DNA after it was collected. So the seal would have to be broken to remove a specimen. Sorry to burst your bubble on that one..
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38160 posts
Posted on 1/3/16 at 12:56 am to
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quote:
The prosecution was only about getting this dude
Convicted.


Well, that is their job.


Incorrect. According to the American Bar Association, the overall function of a prosecutor is to seek justice, not to pursue convictions at all costs. Clearly, this message has not been conveyed to many jurisdictions.

LINK
This post was edited on 1/3/16 at 12:59 am
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38455 posts
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:05 am to
The most interesting thing about this documentary is that the most moral people involved with this case were the defense attorneys. I mean, they were the most believable and likable people in this documentary. On top of that, the prosecution and the sheriff's department were complete jack asses. That was the main thing that drove the documentary. I do believe that ultimately Steve committed the crime, but damn those defense attorneys were fantastic. Although I believed about 80% of what they said, I still think Steve was guilty.
This post was edited on 1/3/16 at 1:06 am
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