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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:07 pm to putt23
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:07 pm to putt23
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I hear ya, but if he raped and killed her there would be something on the bed. They didn't even take the mattress away.
Is there any testimony to that other than Brendan's? I agree that the lack of DNA evidence in the trailer is surprising, but he could have murdered her anywhere on the property. The cops were assuming that it took place in the trailer. Their junkyard was huge. Look at how many rape and murders occur in the woods. the evidence in those cases typically depend on finding an intact body.
Hell, it may not have even been a rape. Steven could have gotten mad about something, shot her and then panicked and hid the body until he burned it. Imagine his surprise when his nephew admits that they raped and killed her in the bedroom.
Also, imagine the cops surprise when public enemy #1 murders a young woman on his property and you can't find a shred of good evidence.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 6:10 pm
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Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:12 pm to Yellerhammer5
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but he could have murdered her anywhere on the property.
Sure, but why would the bullet end up in that garage if he killed her elsewhere? Did Avery murder her, dig out the bullet, burn the body, then bring the bullet back to the garage? It doesn't make any sense.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:12 pm to Brightside Bengal
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What ever happened to that video inside the trailer when someone is rooting around that closet and jokes that they should check his shoes to see if they can frame him for any unsolved robberies?
I can't remember that part. I can only remember them saying the deputy was sitting on the bed filling out paperwork. I shook my head at that cause they said how careful they were, but someone is sitting on the bed
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:15 pm to THRILLHO
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Sure, but why would the bullet end up in that garage if he killed her elsewhere? Did Avery murder her, dig out the bullet, burn the body, then bring the bullet back to the garage? It doesn't make any sense
Planted by the cops. After searching for days, they didn't have good evidence. A bullet with DNA is one of the easiest things to plant.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:15 pm to Yellerhammer5
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Is there any testimony to that other than Brendan's? I agree that the lack of DNA evidence in the trailer is surprising, but he could have murdered her anywhere on the property. The cops were assuming that it took place in the trailer. Their junkyard was huge. Look at how many rape and murders occur in the woods. the evidence in those cases typically depend on finding an intact body. Hell, it may not have even been a rape. Steven could have gotten mad about something, shot her and then panicked and hid the body until he burned it. Imagine his surprise when his nephew admits that they raped and killed her in the bedroom. Also, imagine the cops surprise when public enemy #1 murders a young woman on his property and you can't find a shred of good evidence.
I do agree that the property is huge, it is. I was shocked at how the 2 women got on the property and found the car immediately.
We can go round and round with good points either way I guess, but the whole entire thing is to find reasonable doubt. There was plenty of reasonable doubt
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:18 pm to Yellerhammer5
Besides, I'm doubtful that a .22 to the skull is going to exit, but I could be wrong and there are a ton of variables.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:18 pm to Yellerhammer5
it wouldnt surprise me if they did find the shot bullet in that garage. dude might have shot at a rat or some stupid shite. the cops find it then plant the dna on it from the tissue remains.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:19 pm to diat150
I'm on episode 6 and people are telling it me it gets worse. That's hard to believe.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:21 pm to diat150
Was the bullet ever matched to a specific gun? I don't recall a weapon ever being shown in the court room.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:21 pm to diat150
Yeah they said there was a lot of spent casings in the garage. That thing hadn't been swept out in a long time if ever.
Whatever they did find was never on the initial search. Well, nothing of consequence I mean
Whatever they did find was never on the initial search. Well, nothing of consequence I mean
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:23 pm to putt23
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I do agree that the property is huge, it is. I was shocked at how the 2 women got on the property and found the car immediately.
I have two theories on that: either the cops told them where to look or they just got lucky because they started on the correct end. It was near the border of the yard, so not far from a logical starting point.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:24 pm to olemc999
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I'm on episode 6 and people are telling it me it gets worse. That's hard to believe.
It just gets more unbelievable I guess. It can't be worse than what you've seen.
The lawyers say "if you get accused of something this bad, good luck." That's scary
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:25 pm to Yellerhammer5
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I have two theories on that: either the cops told them where to look or they just got lucky because they started on the correct end. It was near the border of the yard, so not far from a logical starting point
What'd you think about the roommate and ex boyfriend that gave the women the camera and had them search there? I really thought there would be more to that
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:39 pm to Yellerhammer5
After watching the whole thing and thinking back on it for a couple days. The only real evidence they have is bones on the property and multiple reliable eyewitnesses that put Avery as the last person to see her.
Everything else can be cast as doubtful. Of course I hear there was more not shown in the documentary. Teresa's boss's testimony about Avery contacting her and she voicing her dislike of him for one.
That said I don't think that evidence was enough to convict so the rest was planted. This doesn't mean he didn't do it though. But that's not the way the justice system is supposed to work.
Edited because I always forget to proofread before hitting submit
Everything else can be cast as doubtful. Of course I hear there was more not shown in the documentary. Teresa's boss's testimony about Avery contacting her and she voicing her dislike of him for one.
That said I don't think that evidence was enough to convict so the rest was planted. This doesn't mean he didn't do it though. But that's not the way the justice system is supposed to work.
Edited because I always forget to proofread before hitting submit
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:42 pm to putt23
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What'd you think about the roommate and ex boyfriend that gave the women the camera and had them search there? I really thought there would be more to that
It fits the theory that the cops already knew about the vehicle. I doubt those women would be convincing liars on the stand, so they could have been set up to discover the vehicle through the ex. He would have to lie about less on the stand and the recording of the discovery would sound legit.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:45 pm to mindbreaker
I also know the bones could have been planted but I don't think the police did that. Just my opinion. The cops did come off shady but not cold blooded kill random people to pin it on some one shady
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:45 pm to mindbreaker
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Teresa's boss's testimony about Avery contacting her and she voicing her dislike of him for one.
I remember that part, but did they say it was Avery?
I don't think they did, but I could be wrong
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:46 pm to mindbreaker
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Of course I hear there was more not shown in the documentary. Teresa's boss's testimony about Avery contacting her and she voicing her dislike of him for one.
From what I hear, the documentary holds out a lot of circumstantial evidence that makes Avery look like a good suspect. Obviously, the documentary sells its message better if you believe 100% that he is innocent. I feel like they had enough stuff on the how corrupt the cops and prosecution was to not need to trim down the facts, but I guess they also needed to keep the length to 10 hours as well.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:48 pm to putt23
No different things altogether. It did'nt shown in the documentary but Teresa had told her bosses she didn't want to go back to Avery's because he answered the door in a towel and it made her uncomfortable. Also he tried to contact her the day of the murder using *67 before she showed up. That was left out in the series
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:53 pm to Yellerhammer5
I've read up on it. They left it out because that was the evidence defense couldn't find a way to shoot holes in. Regardless it wasn't much and I still don't think it should have been enough to convict. I agree that the focus was on how to convict and not to find the truth that's the scary part for me.
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