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re: Need more American Revolutionary War films like The Patriot.

Posted on 2/24/18 at 4:47 pm to
Posted by Parmen
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Posted on 2/24/18 at 4:47 pm to
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The Patriot was a good, rousing (just not very accurate) portrayal. My BA in History puts me at odds with it at times. Same for Amadeus. Both are extremely entertaining . . . just maddening.


They're still great. I just want to watch a movie of the Minutemen fighting for our rights. We need that, especially right now. Trump should bankroll a film on the revolution. Maybe with a badass like Daniel Morgan.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/24/18 at 7:15 pm to
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Why won’t HW, which on the whole hates white males, not make movies about white males establishing a country in a way they completely are in opposition to?

I’m sure there are scripts that tell the stories of how female slaves were actually the ones on the battlefield and writing the Declaration of Independence. Give them time.
Wait until the film version of Hamilton...

In the old days (pre-'60s), US movies made 70% of their money domestically. Unfortunately most Revolution movies -- Allegheny Uprising w/John Wayne, The Howards of Virginia w/Cary Grant (?), Revolutione w/ Al Pacino (???) -- were very bad, and generally lost money. John Ford's Drums Along The Mohawk is easily the best of these films, though you have to pay close attention to even know it's set during the Revolution -- most of the onscreen fighting is against Indians; there's no anti-British dialogue (though we briefly see some uniformed Redcoats among prisoners taken near the end). The UK was a very important foreign market at the time, and studios did not want to alienate British audiences.

Today, US movies make 70% of their money overseas. That has artistic ramifications (don't emphasize dialogue; what talking you do have in a film should be in short, punchy lines like Bond's "She had her kicks" or Ahnuld's "I'll be back") and political/cultural ones as well. Why should foreigners want to see a film showing how great the US is?

A huge percentage of Hollywood funding comes from China and the Arabs -- their reasons for not wanting to see America glorified should be obvious.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/24/18 at 7:53 pm to
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Wait until the film version of Hamilton...


Yeah, with Mexicans and blacks portraying founding fathers who were white and of English descent.
This post was edited on 2/24/18 at 7:54 pm
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 2/24/18 at 11:55 pm to
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A huge percentage of Hollywood funding comes from China and the Arabs

China yes but the vast majority of middle eastern countries aren’t very big into cinema at all.
Posted by Frac the world
The Centennial State
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:36 am to
There are so many miracles that took place in the Revolutionary War that are ripe for the making of a film.

A director who loves America could make a hell of a movie based on 1776 by David Mccullough. It is truly unbelievable the things that went our way during that year. Get a stud actor to play Washington and make it about 2 and a half hours long showing the crossing of the Delaware, the battle of Trenton, getting the guns from Fort Ticonderoga...idk why the hell nobody makes it...would make me wanna run through a brick wall.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:41 am to
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I do watch History Buffs and like him a lot. And his complaints are valid, but I still love the film.


I wish more people would watch his review of Waterloo.

It might convice them to watch a war masterpiece that was not made with CGI.

LINK
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:55 am to
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the vast majority of middle eastern countries aren’t very big into cinema at all
LINK
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 1:03 am to
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A director who loves America could make a hell of a movie based on 1776 by David Mccullough. It is truly unbelievable the things that went our way during that year. Get a stud actor to play Washington and make it about 2 and a half hours long showing the crossing of the Delaware, the battle of Trenton, getting the guns from Fort Ticonderoga...idk why the hell nobody makes it...would make me wanna run through a brick wall.
After reading Flexner's The Traitor and The Spy, I have been waiting most of my adult life for an epic on Benedict Arnold.

In the '50s there was a movie called The Scarlet Coat, which looked great (it was shot on location in Upstate NY) but was woefully scripted with a dull romance plot. Arnold himself was only a supporting character.

About 25 years ago there was a TV movie on Arnold starring -- I kid you not -- Kelsey Grammer as Washington. It wasn't terrible, but hardly of the stature the story deserves.
Posted by Carson123987
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 8:04 am to
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Need more American Revolutionary War films


sure

quote:

like The Patriot.


no
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:47 am to
The best film roland emmerich ever made.
Posted by Froman
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Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:38 pm to
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Wait until the film version of Hamilton...


I wonder why this isn’t already in the works. One of the most acclaimed musicals of all time and it’s still touring around the country, so the audiences will absolutely show up.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:44 pm to
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The Patriot was a good, rousing (just not very accurate) portrayal. My BA in History puts me at odds with it at times. Same for Amadeus. Both are extremely entertaining . . . just maddening.

How I feel about Kingdom of Heaven. Just keep telling myself “this is not a documentary.”
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:15 pm to
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The best film roland emmerich ever made.


Agreed!
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:15 pm to
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How I feel about Kingdom of Heaven. Just keep telling myself “this is not a documentary.”


Kingdom of Heaven is still great.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:25 pm to
I would have rather seen “Washington” instead of “Lincoln”. Simply bc I’ve seen more on film during the time of Abe. Would have been cool to see Declaration of Independence, revolutionary war, 1st presidency, etc
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:30 pm to
Yes and I finally saw the directors cut recently which made it much better.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:35 pm to
There are so many good untold stories of history. Which is why I get frustrated when we get a movie for every semi interesting recent event.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:47 am to
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There are so many good untold stories of history. Which is why I get frustrated when we get a movie for every semi interesting recent event.


Agreed. To name a few:

-Sully
-Deepwater Horizon
-Whatever train to Paris

We did not need movies about these.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:56 am to
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Agreed. To name a few:

-Sully


Sully was a lot better than I expected.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
38443 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 8:45 am to
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Need more American Revolutionary War films like The Patriot.


While you're waiting:

HBO's John Adams
Ken Burns' Thomas Jefferson
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