re: MTV The Challenge: Total Madness

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One thing that really dates one season: TJ starting a challenge by announcing the winners will receive a camera with an LED screen on the front so that you can take better “self shots”.

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Ashley won on Hunter’s back.

Define well-rounded. Based on my own definition, I’d say Emily Schromm. Strong, good endurance, good athlete overall, wasn’t a complete and total head case.

Go back and watch all of John's early seasons... He was a total afterthought.

I just started The Island, which was right after he got kicked off Gauntlet 3 early yet again and was barely featured on the show.

His early seasons, he was very soft spoken and just kind of blended in. He was perceived as one of the weaker guys because almost all of the eliminations back then were physical and the alliance/manipulation game hadn't really gone full scale yet.

I think he made a concerted effort on the island to be the star of the show.

He and Kenny ran the whole game. He constantly made fun of All the girls and made jokes about how crazy they were and called them dumb bitches. It was hilarious, but he'd be kicked off the show now.

He really went after Tonya and Kellyanne, both of whom who were obviously unstable. Every girl not in his alliance hated him, but he was easily the most featured guy on the show besides Kenny.

Thats also the first season I remember them calling him Bananas. He knew what he was doing. Without many alpha guys on that year, he became the focus. That was also his first win. But amazingly, he should have gone home on the second episode. He lost an elimination to Derrick and the house was going to vote him off the island, but Abe had business matters to attend to back home and he told them to vote him off.

They hated John so much, many of the cast ignored Abe's wishes and voted John anyway. He barely survived.

Amazing what he became. He was just really ahead of the curve on playing the game. It also helped that he was very good at finals.

It's crazy to me that CBS is airing the challenge seasons and MTV only has a few of the latest.

Johanna and Derrick are my least favorite couple ever. Johanna is shite at everything. Kenny is extremely overrated as a competitor.

And I'm laughing my arse off at Paula for getting manipulated by Bananas

I have to say this win should count as like half a win for Bananas there was absolutely no competition

Why is the first episode of season 17 missing?

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Thats a season that really needed CT. He and Evelyn could have teamed up and wiped the floor with everyone else.

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Wes and Danny teaming up with Evelyn would of been good

Also who do you think is the most well rounded girl ever on the show? My pick was Ashley.

Ev getting beat at the very beginning in Freshmeat to me was weak. And based on the island season I don't think she's good at the "social" game.

I only vaguely remember Emily but in a hall brawl or pole wrestle thats all strength I would think Kam has a good chance. Stamina wise Dee was pretty damn good too. The 2 finals she was in were the toughest I have seen.

On a side note this guy Derrick from season 17 with the huge shoulders is worthless. The definition of looks like Tarzan plays like Jane

Anessa is seriously cursed she ALWAYS gets put in to elimination right before the final LMAO

Just finished season 17 Rachel is a beast she beat Brad and Evan in the Final. Also Mark is cool for not freaking out and finishing the final with Anessa

On to season 18 this doesn't seem even remotely competitive. Wes Bananas Evan Darrell and Derrick vs Brad, Adam and .... Danny I guess lol There has to be some twist

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 the island season I don't think she's good at the "social" game.

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The Island was very stange in that it was basically all a numbers game, and EV didn't have the numbers and she knew it. That's why she was so bitchy for most of the season. She knew was going to get boxed out of any power.

But she still won anyway. She made the decision to go after Dunbar insead of John because she knew that her boat was a lock to win with him, Kenny and Derrick. Her political game was better Emily S. our Laurel. But all of them had the advantage of physically intimidating all the other girls. That goes a long way.

It's like CT in his prime. He went 6 full seasons without ever going into an elimination. That's crazy but it's because everyone was scared of him 1 on 1.

I can't hardly remember him ever getting legitimately beaten until he was old and out of shape. He got DQd against Brad once, but lost on a technicality. I think Johnny maybe beat him once in a puzzle, but that's about it.

Rachel would definitely be in my top five. Unless I’m missing somebody obvious. But she was awesome too. And well liked by everybody.

I don’t know why you hate Kenny so much. I loved that dude. He was hilarious, played a good social game, and was actually pretty good at the athletic stuff.