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Mindhunter on Netflix
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:01 am
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:01 am
Just finished S1 and brilliant.
Thoughts..
Thoughts..
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Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:28 am to Reservoir dawg
Loved it
Didn't like the girlfriend very much. Thought she was an odd fit
Didn't like the girlfriend very much. Thought she was an odd fit
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:26 am to Reservoir dawg
Wonderful show. I especially loved the ending when they played "In the Light" by Led Zeppelin. Pairing the song with the ending just seemed to fit perfectly.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:35 am to dallastiger55
quote:I thought she was a good fit for Ford. He's not exactly a normal fit.
Didn't like the girlfriend very much. Thought she was an odd fit
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:42 am to JBeam
Agreed, I've seen complaints about her on this board but don't get it. I thought they worked well together.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:59 am to Reservoir dawg
Holden and Tench were awesome. The guy playing Kemper is creepy fricking good. I really hope that Wendy gets to interview some whack jobs next season so she can really understand that her "line of questions" ain't gonna cut it.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 8:05 am to 615tider
I've got a feeling Greg Smith will keep messing with the growth of the unit.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 8:06 am to JBeam
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I thought she was a good fit for Ford
I just never bought it as realistic. I get that they're both quirky and opinionated and very staunch in their personal beliefs and whatnot, but they were just SO different that I never believed that he would just be out at a random bar/club in a college town one night and they would end up actually becoming an item. She's a college girl, sloppy, messy, smokes weed, likely liberal..he is a straight laced, fastidious FBI agent jet setting across the country every other day. It's just not really plausible.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 8:22 am to WG_Dawg
quote:First off, it's the late 70's. They are fairly close in age from what I remember. The idea that Ford would go for someone with the exact personality/taste as him would make very little sense to me. Second, you make Debbie sound aloof in your description of her. He's also not "jet setting" to hot locations. He's going to places to interview crinimals and then headed back to HQ.
I just never bought it as realistic. I get that they're both quirky and opinionated and very staunch in their personal beliefs and whatnot, but they were just SO different that I never believed that he would just be out at a random bar/club in a college town one night and they would end up actually becoming an item. She's a college girl, sloppy, messy, smokes weed, likely liberal..he is a straight laced, fastidious FBI agent jet setting across the country every other day. It's just not really plausible.
The reason they didn't seem to workout (besides the fact that she was seen with another guy) is the fact that Holden seemed to insert his work life into his personal life.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 8:43 am to JBeam
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First off, it's the late 70's.
ok? Not sure what relevance that has
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They are fairly close in age from what I remember
maybe "fairly close" but he's got to at least have 5+ years on her
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The idea that Ford would go for someone with the exact personality/taste as him would make very little sense to me
Once you get out of college this seems to be less and less likely IMO. Especially for someone like Holden I imagine he would be much more drawn to a professional working woman type than a stoner college girl
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you make Debbie sound aloof in your description of her.
I never called her an idiot. They just are all about completely different things.
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He's also not "jet setting" to hot locations. He's going to places to interview crinimals and then headed back to HQ.
How does he arrive there? He takes a friggin plane, geez man. And often times they are staying overnight or driving long distances, you can see it right there in the show.
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The reason they didn't seem to workout (besides the fact that she was seen with another guy) is the fact that Holden seemed to insert his work life into his personal life.
And that they're very little alike but yeah.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 8:57 am to WG_Dawg
I didn't mind his girlfriend (as an actress, maybe not so much as an actual GF, lol). IMO the point in having her around was to show that she was actually better at his own job description when it came to his relationships outside of work...
Posted on 1/30/18 at 9:03 am to WG_Dawg
quote:Which given the time period isn't that big of deal. You also have to remember that outside of his buearu "friends" & Ed Kemper. Holden doesn't seem to have any relationships with anyone outside of his work. Debbie is his outlet for most of S1. This is one of the reasons I believe Holden has every trait of a high functioning sociopath.
maybe "fairly close" but he's got to at least have 5+ years on her
quote:Call me crazy. But I don't think people look for exact copies of themselves in relationships. Then again, Holden & Debbie's relationship wasn't exactly healthy. But that has more to do with Holden's issue then anything else.
Once you get out of college this seems to be less and less likely IMO. Especially for someone like Holden I imagine he would be much more drawn to a professional working woman type than a stoner college girl
quote:That's fine. Your previous post alluded to him being some kind of Don Draper mogul. I don't really see how him having a high travel job plays a role in their relationship not being realistic.
How does he arrive there? He takes a friggin plane, geez man. And often times they are staying overnight or driving long distances, you can see it right there in the show.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 9:28 am to Reservoir dawg
AWESOME!!!!
Posted on 1/30/18 at 10:11 am to JBeam
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Holden seemed to insert his work life into his personal life.
Yep. There is clearly a theme showing Holden slowly changing and cracking under the pressure of these interviews and cases.
His partner, more expressive and experienced, just blows up at work. He wears his emotions on his sleeve. His job already made him distant at home before all this.
Holden is cocky and plays off stress by being calm and cool at work. But the stress slowly seeps into his personal life and eventually pushes everyone away from him professionally as well.
There is an underlying theme in the show that all of us have psychopathic tendencies that if fed, over time, can make anyone a monster.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 10:14 am
Posted on 1/30/18 at 10:13 am to Reservoir dawg
Torv is fine in this and would do criminal things to her body.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 10:21 am to cattus
Another theme is how communication changes us.
Holden loved to communicate external facts to everyone, but never much about himself. All while digging for internal facts about others because the external facts about them seemed obvious. The killers were expected to “open up”, his girl was expected to “open up”, his partners were expected to do the same. He never thought he needed to. He was blinded by the board in his own eye. He never opened up about his real internal struggles and it pushed everyone away.
The buddy was the opposite - he constantly talked about how he felt at work and made it known by his actions at home. It wasn’t until he opened up about the external things at work that he and his wife drew closer.
The Professor recognized this and slowly began to lose respect for Holden and gain respect for his partner.
Holden loved to communicate external facts to everyone, but never much about himself. All while digging for internal facts about others because the external facts about them seemed obvious. The killers were expected to “open up”, his girl was expected to “open up”, his partners were expected to do the same. He never thought he needed to. He was blinded by the board in his own eye. He never opened up about his real internal struggles and it pushed everyone away.
The buddy was the opposite - he constantly talked about how he felt at work and made it known by his actions at home. It wasn’t until he opened up about the external things at work that he and his wife drew closer.
The Professor recognized this and slowly began to lose respect for Holden and gain respect for his partner.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 10:23 am
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:46 pm to 615tider
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guy playing Kemper is creepy fricking good
I laughed when they first revealed him walking down the hall
That guy did a phenomenal job with that character.Posted on 1/31/18 at 7:42 am to Reservoir dawg
Very curious where this series goes in S2 and S3. From the looks of things. BTK is the ultimate price at the end of this series. The only issue is that he wasn't caught until the early 2000's. It'll be interesting how they tell this story.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:13 am to JBeam
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I thought she was a good fit for Ford. He's not exactly a normal fit.
Whatever, man. She’s an antigonistic, hypocritical character on the show.
Exhibit A: She doesn’t understand why it bothers Ford to see some guy driving her home. Either she’s lying or she’s insensitive. Turns out she was lying because she was caught flirting with that same guy.
Exhibit B: She asks him if he would wear one outfit for life what would he choose. He said the suit that he wears. Then ridicules him for being boring/predictable and said that she wouldn’t wear anything....that she wouldn’t care about what people wear. Well, is she didn’t care, why give Ford a hard time and make fun of him? Either hypocrite or looking to start a fight.
A man’s suit, when worn properly, shows a man’s competence and confidence. My guess is that she’s a feminist looking for a weak partner where she can dominate.
I love that break up scene where he’s calling her out. She was saying “I’ve been thinking”. He said “about what”. She responded “but I don’t know about what”. The frick?! This is even though she made a premeditate decision to break up. She doesn’t have the decency to be honest with her man (ex-man)by evading questions. It’s like he was saying “honey, get to the point. No need to dance around.”
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:19 am to JBeam
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Very curious where this series goes in S2 and S3.
The show is inspired by the real career of FBI Agent John Douglas (who is renamed Holden in the show). He wrote several True Crime novels detailing his career.
Mindhunter was the first. The book they are writting is Season 1 in the Crime Classification Manual and it’s for sell on Amazon. He also wrote
Journey into Darkness
Obsession
Anatomy of Motive
His ultimate career goal was to catch the “green river” killer. That’s the guy they keep showing at the beginning of each episode, one of the most notorious killers in history.
Also Thomas Harris (the author of ManHunter and Silence of the Lambs) took seminars under John Douglas at Quantico and was inspired by him to write those stories. The character Will Graham in ManHunter (also The Red Dragon) is supposed to be John Douglas. You can also see the Hannibal’s Lector/Ed Kemper interview correlation in Silence of the Lambs.
The story just gets better. Holden will eventually become the most famous FBI agent in history. The profiling division becomes the most prestigious position in the FBI over time. The cream of the cream of the top are only allowed to even apply.
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 8:21 am
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