re: Martin Scorsese Doesn't Think Marvel Movies Are Cinema (updated)

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Sorry if that offends the sensibilities of the group thinkers on this board.

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Yup, if you criticize comics around here, then here comes the movie board police.

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Spielberg swings both ways. He's made some of the most iconic dramatic films of our era (Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan, and The Color Purple) while also being able to kick back and make some of the most entertaining films of the era (Raiders of the Lost Ark, Jaws, and Jurassic Park).

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He's also gone on record stating that comic book films are a fad similar to the Western.

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To say animation doesn't manipulate light is ridiculous. To say animation doesn't or can't recreate the natural world is stupid. Animation comes in all genres.

To say Martin Scorsese must not like animation is to ignore that he's included animation in a film and that animation is crucially important to the history of cinema. At the very least, you know he likes old shite.

Recreating the natural world doesn't exclude heightening the natural, which is what he's done in several of his own films (Hugo, Bringing out the Dead, Shutter Island). The manipulation of light to enhance mood is itself unnatural.

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I don't think Scorsese's right. I think he and Coppola, who have combined been responsible for at least a dozen American masterpieces, have the clout (not to mention more knowledge than any of us here combined) to say whatever the hell they want about cinema. And the multi-billion dollar corporation probably doesn't need the impassioned defense of internet fans. They'll be just fine. The old man isn't a threat.

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“These two guys are my heroes, and they have earned the right to express their opinions,” Favreau said. “I wouldn’t be doing what I’m doing if they didn’t carve the way,” he said. “They served as a source of inspiration, you can go all the way back to Swingers. They can express whatever opinion they like.”

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Don't you put that evil on me!

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Considering how obvious it is when the lighting on a green screened actor is bad I think there is a pretty big difference.

If the actor (be they live action or completely CG) is lit in an artificial and unrealistic way during a scene it's going to ruin the effect no matter how good the CG animation is. Take the lighting at the beginning of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull for example. The outdoors background in that scene is blatantly fake and the main reason it's so noticeable is the lighting on the actors is poorly done. It's very clear they are in a studio and not outside b/c of how flat everything looks. If the scene was better lit the actors wouldn't look like they were dropped into a CG set and you wouldn't be given a terrible first impression of the film.

With an animated cartoon there is much more leeway w/how the animated lighting can look b/c your brain automatically registers what you are viewing as fake. A movie like Cars can look great but won't break your suspension of disbelief in moments where the lighting during a racing scene is super stylized and doesn't behave in a natural manner.

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