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Posted on 10/28/18 at 3:49 pm to Scoop
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. Dassey’s lawyer is cute.
As is Kathleen's entire cast of female law clerks.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 3:57 pm to 50_Tiger
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The fact that there was zero bone fragments on the bullet that was allegedly used to kill Teresa says a lot to me. That in concordance with the low caliber round having an extreme low probability of exiting the human skull leaves me to believe something is quite frickey here.
Exactly.
14 or 15 years ago there was a girl found at my job laying in the floor bleeding from the head. I was one of the first few people on the scene and while attending to her waiting on the ambulance, I thought she had fallen or seized and hit her head on something. I was trying to keep from moving her around much in case she had a spinal injury but was feeling around the back of her head for a source of the bleeding to maybe apply some pressure but couldn’t feel anything.
Turns out she was shot in the back of the head with a .22 by an estranged bf.
There wasn’t an exit wound.
Had no idea she had been shot until later.
I looked into it back then and a .22 is an almost perfect weapon for a clean kill because there is almost never an exit wound and instead the bullet tends to bounce around inside of the cranium shredding the brain.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:08 am to Scoop
I think the bullet is a huge thing because if that bullet didn't go into and exit her skull then they have no cause of death.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 9:08 am
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:49 am to DisplacedBuckeye
The forensic DNA should be a huge red flag in the case. The trace amounts and blood spatter specifically. Combine that with those huge violations by the prosecution team it seems like a retrial would be warranted.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:59 am to brmark70816
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She would have to prove that the police planted evidence, which she hasn't come close.
The calendar in possession of the ex is about as close as you can get.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:02 am to LSU Wayne
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LAw enforcement refusing to include the coroner in the Halbach investigation is a huge WTF to me. Talk about not smelling right. She claims she was threatened and intimidated into staying away from the case due to the Avery lawsuit. If her story is true (and she did end up resigning supposedly due to the intimidation and threats) then that is all kinds of motive to substantiate the defense claims of evidence planting and tampering and every other potential shading dealings by that fricking county.
Frankly, there is no way to even conduct a proper investigation now because of the way the cops handled the physical evidence.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:21 am to boogiewoogie1978
Sort of like “The Staircase”?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 1:24 pm to LSU316
Who says it is the same bullet? He could have shot her multiple times. The bullet they found could have just been one that didn't strike bone.
Once again, they don't need a cause of death. She is dead. She could have been strangled, bludgeoned, stabbed or her neck snapped. The killer destroyed the evidence. Its a circumstantial case, which is totally legal.
Once again, they don't need a cause of death. She is dead. She could have been strangled, bludgeoned, stabbed or her neck snapped. The killer destroyed the evidence. Its a circumstantial case, which is totally legal.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 1:37 pm to brmark70816
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Who says it is the same bullet? He could have shot her multiple times. The bullet they found could have just been one that didn't strike bone.
Once again, they don't need a cause of death. She is dead. She could have been strangled, bludgeoned, stabbed or her neck snapped. The killer destroyed the evidence. Its a circumstantial case, which is totally legal.
i think they are both guilty.
but to respond to your question, wasn't the bullet used to show that the killing happened in the garage? in terms of convicting Dassey, they matched "discovered" evidence with the details in his statement to conclude that he was telling the truth. and if there was no bullet, they wouldn't have been able to prove that she was killed there which could have led to reasonable doubt on the Avery case, right?
I'm asking because I don't really know how it all works and what sort of proof is required.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 1:39 pm to brmark70816
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Who says it is the same bullet?p
Ken Kratz
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they don't need a cause of death.
Of course they don't but the DA (with the ME) is the idiot that claimed the shots to the head killed her and that this bullet proved that. It in no way proves that. That level of blatant lying from the State is grounds for a new trial.
Not to mention the other Brady violations.
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wasn't the bullet used to show that the killing happened in the garage? in terms of convicting Dassey, they matched "discovered" evidence with the details in his statement to conclude that he was telling the truth. and if there was no bullet, they wouldn't have been able to prove that she was killed there which could have led to reasonable doubt on the Avery case, right?
All of this. If they don't have a bullet that proves she was killed in the garage then they don't know that she was killed in the garage. That renders the majority opinion in the En Banc 7th Circuit hearing for Dassey invalid in my opinion, because that would have been an outright lie to entrap Dassey into an involuntary confession.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 10/29/18 at 1:54 pm to LSU316
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i think they are both guilty.
Maybe they are BUT I have a feeling if a jury of 12 were presented the entirety of the evidence I bet they would have a hard time unanimously returning a guilty verdict on Avery or Dassey.
I mean the crap with Bobby Dassey is just crazy.
The other thing is why in the hell would Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych cooperate with the police if they thought so clearly (as they supposedly do now) that Brendan had nothing to do with this. At that point of the trial they had to know that if one went down they both did. I think they knew that the police wanted Avery and if they didn't get Avery it was going to be Bobby and Scott under fire.
I just don't see Scott Tadych or Bobby Dassey willingly cooperating with police in the Avery case when their stepson and brother was on trial for the same crime.
Not too mention according to his own brother Bobby lied to the police about seeing Theresa leave the Avery property. Like I said if a jury knew all of this I think they would have a hard time finding Avery and Dassey guilty again.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 10/29/18 at 1:57 pm to VinegarStrokes
This is a missing body case, in that evidence was destroyed and the body dismembered. All they can do is gather as much evidence as possible that shows who was responsible. The standard is "circumstantial evidence, when sufficient enough to exclude every other reasonable hypothesis, may prove the death of a missing person, the existence of a homicide and the guilt of the accused".
All the bullet does is show she was shot in the garage. Kratz's summation and conclusions are just conjecture and guesses, which is probably not appropriate. But not illegal or mistrial worthy..
All the bullet does is show she was shot in the garage. Kratz's summation and conclusions are just conjecture and guesses, which is probably not appropriate. But not illegal or mistrial worthy..
Posted on 10/29/18 at 2:05 pm to brmark70816
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Kratz's summation and conclusions are just conjecture and guesses
Every damn word he said in the courtroom could be construed as conjecture and guesses.....We guess that since it was Avery blood in the van that he put it there that is what the circumstantial evidence goes on right...we also guess that since Theresa's key was in Avery's trailer that he put it there right?
All guesses.....so we are supposed to take some guesses to heart and not others
...If they lie about 1 thing what else did they lie about???
Posted on 10/29/18 at 2:29 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
To me, the biggest thing that points to serious doubt is the supposed crime scene...the state paints a violent and bloody picture in the bedroom complete with with handcuffs and iron shackles, not one mark on the bed or bed posts from handcuffs and iron shackles and not one drop of blood or trace amounts of blood found anywhere in the room...then move onto the garage where the state says Avery shot her in the head with an exit wound, not one drop of blood or trace amounts of blood.
You're going to tell me Avery is going to half arse hide the vehicle on his property by placing limbs on it but scrub a crime scene cleaner than what professionals could do?
You're going to tell me Avery is going to half arse hide the vehicle on his property by placing limbs on it but scrub a crime scene cleaner than what professionals could do?
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 10/29/18 at 2:35 pm to LSUsmartass
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then move onto the garage where the state says Avery shot her in the head with an exit wound, not one drop of blood or trace amounts of blood.
And no bone on the supposed bullet that caused the wound.
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You're going to tell me Avery is going to half arse hide the vehicle on his property by placing limbs on it but scrub a crime scene cleaner than what professionals could do?
That's right...the State would have to jump to the wild conclusion that Steve Avery and Brendan Dassey were damn criminal masterminds.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 10/29/18 at 2:49 pm to brmark70816
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All the bullet does is show she was shot in the garage.
No, it doesn't.
It shows that a bullet fired from that rifle was found in the garage with her DNA on it.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 4:33 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
But not confirmed to be blood dna...and it also had a waxy substance on it...similar to chapstick...the same chapstick that was taken from her place of residence to cross reference dna
Posted on 10/29/18 at 7:23 pm to LSUsmartass
quote:For such a mastermind killer that covered almost everything up he left some pretty blatant clues behind. Like he totally cleaned a messy garage of all evidence (except a bullet that showed no signed of hitting a human in the head) but forgot to wipe the down the car.
You're going to tell me Avery is going to half arse hide the vehicle on his property by placing limbs on it but scrub a crime scene cleaner than what professionals could do?
The locals set this guy up, not saying he didn't do it, but they couldn't prove it and they framed him.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 7:29 pm to Crow Pie
Ok, how did they set him up?
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