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re: Mad Men Season 5 Finale "The Phantom"
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:03 am to parrotdr
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:03 am to parrotdr
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What was up with Lane's wife? I know she's bitter buy what did she mean by dismissing the $50K as only a part of what Lane gave to the firm? I know she was pissed that they pulled nights at the "brothel" and she found the pic of the babe in his wallet, but it seemed maybe there was more there about money? Not sure.
Im assuming shes meaning that he was a partner and his portion was way more than $50k
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Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:05 am to Dr. 3
It was obvious she was looking to project her anger and sadness onto anyone she could, and Don was an easy target. And I think she meant that Lane gave up his life in London as well as his relationship with his family to be a part of SCDP.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:42 am to eleventy
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The toothache was omnipresent until he got it pulled. First shot of the show was him doctoring it himself. Not sure how you missed it -- especially as a dentist!
I MEANT that I hadn't seen the toothache mentioned throughout the THREAD--I said episode by mistake...
As you said, how could you miss it?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 11:04 am to parrotdr
Here's a good Q&A with Matthew Weiner after the season finale Sunday. He provides some good perspective. Slate.com
I found this tidbit interesting and most relevant to the prevailing topics we discuss on this board:
I found this tidbit interesting and most relevant to the prevailing topics we discuss on this board:
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Slate: One of my colleagues in Slate’s TV Club observed a few weeks ago that this season has seemed to suggest there’s a trade-off between happiness and success. Don’s happiness at home coincides with a period of complacency at work. In the world of Mad Men, do you need to be unhappy to succeed?
Matt Weiner: Freud defined happiness as the ability to work and to love. And of course success in your relationship is a kind of success also. Don is someone who we know always wants to work when things are bad. It’s always there for him. He prefers it to everything. But concentrating on this other aspect was definitely to the detriment of his ambition.
Slate: When do you think Don got his ambition back?
Weiner: I think he’s living a fantasy of having his work life and love life overlap in a way that he never expected; Megan’s this person for him to grab whenever there’s a dull moment at work. And when she rejects that it’s very hard for him to take. She rejects him in some way—she doesn’t like orange sherbet. In Episode 9, he tries to get back to work and we see that there are new horses that run faster than him and that’s hard for him and he kind of rigs it. And then in Episode 10, he comes home and Megan throws that plate at the wall and says, “You used to love your work.” He kind of gets the fire lit under him, and he goes back and pitches the hell out of Jaguar. But the victory is tainted. And I think he realizes that he’s ambitious to the point that accomplishment is never going to be enough.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 11:06 am to Rohan2Reed
Posted on 6/12/12 at 11:10 am to Rohan2Reed
quote:I always disliked Lane's wife. She complained way to much.
It was obvious she was looking to project her anger and sadness onto anyone she could, and Don was an easy target. And I think she meant that Lane gave up his life in London as well as his relationship with his family to be a part of SCDP.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 11:17 am to parrotdr
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I MEANT that I hadn't seen the toothache mentioned throughout the THREAD
Yeah...I don't know how the thread went so long without mentioning it. It was a big deal, and seemingly quite meaningful.
BTW, did that extracted tooth look incredibly huge in your expert opinion?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 11:39 am to eleventy
Do you think there is any significance to these shots?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 11:48 am to arktiger28
Of course. It's all up to individual interpretation. I see it as drawing parallels between Betty and Megan. Not necessarily that these two women are the same, but that Don ultimately feels the same way about each of them - which is that they are the kind of women he sells to America (and, mistakenly, to himself) as the "perfect better half of any successful man." Don realizes in the finale that he was wrong. Again.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 11:53 am to Rohan2Reed
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BTW, did that extracted tooth look incredibly huge in your expert opinion?
My wife asked the same thing..."do they really look like that?"
Yes, it can, if it comes out all in one piece. Although I expected the crown of the tooth to be a bit more beat up, given the pain he had.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 12:05 pm to arktiger28
its fascinating how Weiner talks about the characters, like he didnt create their story but is just telling their story
Posted on 6/12/12 at 12:09 pm to parrotdr
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BTW, did that extracted tooth look incredibly huge in your expert opinion?
My wife asked the same thing..."do they really look like that?"
Yes, it can, if it comes out all in one piece
It looked like a cartoon tooth!
Posted on 6/12/12 at 12:39 pm to parrotdr
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Yes, it can, if it comes out all in one piece.
I had a molar extracted awhile back and as soon as I saw it I was like, "Yep, that's about right".
Posted on 6/12/12 at 1:04 pm to arktiger28
quote:Don didn't really like or understand why betty wanted to still model. Remember at the end of that episode Betty & Don were sitting at the dinner table in the old house and Don gave the speech on how great a mother she was to the two little kids at the time.
Do you think there is any significance to these shots?
Betty wasn't to happy to hear that [her facial expressions made that clear]
Megan's situation seems a bit different imo. She's still young without kids of her own and she wants to be an artist. But again, Don doesn't like the idea of her being in the public eye like that.
I do believe that Don walking away from the set means that in someway he is disconnecting himself from Megan and will want to move on.
which makes me very happy.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 1:10 pm to JBeam
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Megan's situation seems a bit different imo. She's still young without kids of her own and she wants to be an artist. But again, Don doesn't like the idea of her being in the public eye like that.
I don't think he cares about her being in the public eye, it's just that having an ambitious wife who wants a career (or probably even a hobby) takes away from time she can spend stroking his ego and feeding his need for affection.
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I do believe that Don walking away from the set means that in someway he is disconnecting himself from Megan and will want to move on.
which makes me very happy.
What do you see in store for Don in season 6?
This post was edited on 6/12/12 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 6/12/12 at 1:21 pm to Rohan2Reed
quote:I just think he likes the idea of having a wife who is unknown.
I don't think he cares about her being in the public eye, it's just that having an ambitious wife who wants a career (or probably even a hobby) takes away from time she can spend stroking his ego and feeding his need for affection.
quote:I can see his relationship with Peggy growing because they now have enough distance between them that they won't piss one another off as much.
What do you see in store for Don in season 6?
I think the idea of Joan/Don every hooking up went out the wind after the whole Jaguar situation went down.
Megan may actually make Don happy. But, i don't think she carries the power to stop the old Don from coming back.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 1:52 pm to JBeam
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I do believe that Don walking away from the set means that in someway he is disconnecting himself from Megan and will want to move on. which makes me very happy.
It does and doesn't. I'd like to see Don happy at home.
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I can see his relationship with Peggy growing because they now have enough distance between them that they won't piss one another off as much.
Yeah, I get a feeling Peggy is still in the cards.
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I think the idea of Joan/Don every hooking up went out the wind after the whole Jaguar situation went down.
agreed. Her relationship with Roger is DOA as well. Joan might end up being a lesbian after all
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But, i don't think she carries the power to stop the old Don from coming back.
Well it looked like that earlier, I wouldn't be surprised if Megan gets preggos and choose her career instead, making Don appreciate Betty a little more. I'd like to see Betty finally address her deeper issues (including her abusive mother) going forward. I know we all hate her, but some redemption is needed for her. Maybe Henry dying and leaving her with money.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 2:18 pm to RonBurgundy
Do you think the whole description of Jaguar for the last few episodes--beautiful, fast, exotic, but unreliable, overpriced, can't start when you want them to, etc. had Don thinking about his marriage, or marriages?
References to mistresses while implying ownership of something beautiful. Maybe Don is thinking he married a Jaguar--thrilling at first, but won't be reliable and won't last?
Or did I take too many analytical English courses at LSU?
References to mistresses while implying ownership of something beautiful. Maybe Don is thinking he married a Jaguar--thrilling at first, but won't be reliable and won't last?
Or did I take too many analytical English courses at LSU?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 2:45 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:if i remember correctly, Betty's family doesn't have as much money as it seems.
I'd like to see Betty finally address her deeper issues (including her abusive mother) going forward. I know we all hate her, but some redemption is needed for her. Maybe Henry dying and leaving her with money.
I was also hoping for Henry to put Betty in her place like he did at the end of S4. But, that never happen this season and it seems like it would be out of place to happen in S6.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 3:21 pm to parrotdr
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Do you think the whole description of Jaguar for the last few episodes--beautiful, fast, exotic, but unreliable, overpriced, can't start when you want them to, etc. had Don thinking about his marriage, or marriages? References to mistresses while implying ownership of something beautiful. Maybe Don is thinking he married a Jaguar--thrilling at first, but won't be reliable and won't last? Or did I take too many analytical English courses at LSU?
No I'm with you. Good call
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