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re: Mad Men S7 E13 "The Milk & Honey Route"

Posted on 5/11/15 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 2:55 pm to
Her last image walking into McCann was the perfect sendoff IMO. I think Peggy is done.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 2:56 pm to
Posted by beatbammer
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 3:07 pm to
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Anyone else think that kid is going to crash and burn up in that car and he looks enough like Don that everyone will think it is him, so Don will be free to transform again without looking over his shoulder



Possible, but I hope not because, with their mother dying, that'd be a shitty thing to do to his kids.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 3:18 pm to
Yeah, that would be a crappy ending.
Posted by Navytiger74
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 4:39 pm to
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My brother-in-law disagrees with you.


He was being a smartass but he's practically right. Fewer than 2% of cases are initially diagnosed before the mid 40s. Almost 70% are diagnosed over 65.
Posted by Navytiger74
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 4:46 pm to
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Pete has actually gone from being a despicable little shite to at least tolerable.


I think Pete and Peggy's characters have had the most profound arcs. Moreso than Don even. Pete's been growing on me since the fight with Lane.
Posted by FairhopeTider
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 6:05 pm to
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Don's been away from McCann, and away from home, and on the road, for three months now.


So its safe to say he's done at McCann then. There's no going back. This isn't like his trip to California where he just popped back in after a few weeks.

Peggy and Pete's stories are complete IMO. They've both reached some conclusion and their final scenes have been perfect. Peggy walking into McCann like a boss with her box (which is perfect symmetry to her entrance in the first episode). Pete reconciling with Trudy and talking about how they've answered their daughter's birthday wish. Sure, they could have an epilogue but it wouldn't shock me if we've seen the last of them.

What's Roger's story at this moment? He's been a great character but his storyline hasn't really been one that needs a conclusion. Would hate it if we saw the last of him but what is there to really tell?

Usually with finales, you know you're going to get a rundown of some of the greatest hits and at least see all of the main characters. I don't know what to expect with Mad Men. We could get an all Don episode or not. Don's storyline could literally go so many different ways. To be honest, the last few episodes have felt like one, long drawn out finale.

Posted by Gorilla Ball
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 6:30 pm to
does anyone recognize the underwear guy in hotels.com commercial as pete's brother - I'll try to find a pic.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 6:46 pm to
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So its safe to say he's done at McCann then. There's no going back. This isn't like his trip to California where he just popped back in after a few weeks.

He's already started to refer to his advertising career in the past tense. IDK where he's going. But his conversation with Sally could be a clue.

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Peggy and Pete's stories are complete IMO. They've both reached some conclusion and their final scenes have been perfect. Peggy walking into McCann like a boss with her box (which is perfect symmetry to her entrance in the first episode). Pete reconciling with Trudy and talking about how they've answered their daughter's birthday wish. Sure, they could have an epilogue but it wouldn't shock me if we've seen the last of them.

I believe Peggy's story is complete. Put I've heard some theories about Pete that have me questioning this whole Wichita move. It's always confused me why Pete trust Duck so easily. That dude has always been bad news.

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What's Roger's story at this moment? He's been a great character but his storyline hasn't really been one that needs a conclusion. Would hate it if we saw the last of him but what is there to really tell?

Unfortunately I think he's had his final scene with Don. I would like to see him one last time. But idk if that will happen.


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Usually with finales, you know you're going to get a rundown of some of the greatest hits and at least see all of the main characters. I don't know what to expect with Mad Men. We could get an all Don episode or not. Don's storyline could literally go so many different ways. To be honest, the last few episodes have felt like one, long drawn out finale.

I'm going to be sad. This series ending will hit me pretty hard. Way worse than the Justified finale.
Posted by Dodgson
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 6:59 pm to
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This series ending will hit me pretty hard.


I'm thinking about popping in an episode on Sundays for old times sake every now and then. Just one. Might have to incorporate the previously and next on bumpers.
Posted by BigAppleTiger
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 7:02 pm to
I think we'll see more of Don,Peggy,Roger,Pete, and Joan in the finale. I've read that only the 5 main original cast members filmed the finale episode and that only they and the crew knew what the final episode read like.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 7:35 pm to
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What's Roger's story at this moment? He's been a great character but his storyline hasn't really been one that needs a conclusion. Would hate it if we saw the last of him but what is there to really tell?

Usually with finales, you know you're going to get a rundown of some of the greatest hits and at least see all of the main characters. I don't know what to expect with Mad Men. We could get an all Don episode or not. Don's storyline could literally go so many different ways. To be honest, the last few episodes have felt like one, long drawn out finale.


For some reason, I'm picturing The Big Chill, with everybody around Roger's coffin, reminiscing about the old times.

That would suck.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 7:44 pm to
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I'm going to be sad. This series ending will hit me pretty hard. Way worse than the Justified finale.


Breaking Bad took me down hard. This one is going to be pretty rough. I hope they make it a good one.
Posted by SanFranTiger
Santa Fe, NM
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 7:55 pm to
Interesting passage from Milk and Honey route that was linked a few pages back:

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The road the real hobo follows is never ending. It is always heading into the sunset of promise but it never fully keeps its promise. Thus the road the hobo roams always beckons him on, much as does the undealt card in a game of stud. Every new bend of the road is disillusioning but never disappointing, so that once you get the spirit of the hobo you never reach the stone wall of utter disillusionment. You follow on hopefully from one bend of the road to another, until in the end you step off the cliff.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:23 pm to
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The road the real hobo follows is never ending. It is always heading into the sunset of promise but it never fully keeps its promise. Thus the road the hobo roams always beckons him on, much as does the undealt card in a game of stud. Every new bend of the road is disillusioning but never disappointing, so that once you get the spirit of the hobo you never reach the stone wall of utter disillusionment. You follow on hopefully from one bend of the road to another, until in the end you step off the cliff.


Hmmm. I thought it was a really great episode and was/am really pulling for Pete and his family. Don's "in America" experiences have been really bewildering, but they make sense in the context of who he really is and what he's looking for/running from. I felt for Betts, then hated her for walking past Sally, then gained a world of respect for what has turned out to be a great show of strength on her part. Henry managed to piss me off even when he showed himself to actually be a human--by sobbing into his hands and requiring aid from a child who just found out that her mother is dying instead of comforting her.

I don't have any expectations for the finale because this last season (well second part of the last season) hasn't been anything like what I expected. I'd like to see Roger again. I'd like to see Don and Sally together. The boys are really Henry's for all intents and purposes, but his relationship with Sally should remain important. Wouldn't mind seeing Peggy again, but won't miss it if we don't. I think Pete's done. I think Joan's done (and don't care). The last episode will have to center almost entirely around whatever Don decides will be his next/last act, but you can't just send someone like Roger off without some kind of something. Just a quip.
Posted by Matisyeezy
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:32 pm to
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I'm going to be sad. This series ending will hit me pretty hard. Way worse than the Justified finale.



If it's as good as that I'll be so damn happy. The final scene with Raylan and Boyd was like a punch in the feels. Greatness.
Posted by BamaChick
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:42 pm to
"Knock 'em dead, Birdie!"

Posted by LeonPhelps
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:21 pm to
Will the finale be 2 hours? I seem to recall reading that.
Posted by beardedzeus
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:35 pm to
I dont think so. I think its something like 1 hr 11 min.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:38 pm to
Which is probably a good thing.

The complete marathon starts Wednesday.
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