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re: LOST "What They Died For" S6.E16 (Multi-centric)
Posted on 5/18/10 at 12:50 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 5/18/10 at 12:50 pm to OMLandshark
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Sayid went out in typical Arab fashion with a bomb strapped to his chest.
Anyone notice that even as Sayid and Ben have gone back and forth from "good" to "bad", they have always been polar opposites?
Sayid - bad (torturer), good (castaway), bad(shoots Ben), good (nuke), bad (zombie), good (submarine bomb)
Ben - good (dharma), bad (Purge), good (Alex killed), bad (kills Jacob), good (helps Richard)
It is Ben's turn to flip back to the dark side, IMO.
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 12:51 pm to The Boob
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i was hoping the "they" would be...
Zoe's grandparents. BOOK IT>
Posted on 5/18/10 at 12:52 pm to seawolf06
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bad(shoots Ben)
Why is this bad? He finally had a rational moment.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 12:53 pm to seawolf06
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"They" could be anyone. Could it be Dharma???
I think we know why the Dharma Initiative was killed off. They were most likely getting too close to the Island's "source" and were in danger of "putting out the light" so Jacob had them killed.
With that said, I'm not sure who "they" refers to. I can only assume that "they" is all of the Losties who have died. Hopefully the episode explains why their death matters in relation to the ultimate resolution of this story.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 12:56 pm to Freauxzen
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bad(shoots Ben)
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Why is this bad? He finally had a rational moment.
well i guess it's the whole chicken/egg thing. you could rationalize that shooting ben made ben bad.
you could also rationalize that sayid did it with good intentions (so to speak).
Posted on 5/18/10 at 12:57 pm to TDTGodfather
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well i guess it's the whole chicken/egg thing. you could rationalize that shooting ben made ben bad.
you could also rationalize that sayid did it with good intentions (so to speak).
Sayid had two problems:
He missed
And he didn't try again later
This post was edited on 5/18/10 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:08 pm to Freauxzen
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Sayid had two problems:
He missed
And he didn't try again later
well then there's that.
and to think he kills FOR Ben at one point.
like(d) both of those characters.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:08 pm to OMLandshark
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"While The Man In Black devises a new strategy, Jack's group searches for Desmond."
This episode has gotten good reviews and said to be the best pre-finale episode since Greatest Hits, so there probably won't be a meltdown like last week.
Also I think this is probably my personal favorite title for an episode in LOST's history.
It's a bit mysterious. At first I was like, OK everyone dies, except new Jacob/Jack and maybe MIB. Or the island is sunk and they all die. Or it's just about how basically everyone dies who comes to or protects the island.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:09 pm to TDTGodfather
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well then there's that.
and to think he kills FOR Ben at one point.
like(d) both of those characters.
There is no reason for Ben to be alive except that people "like" his character. That's it. The writers wrote him into plots he had no place being in. The characters on the show never questioned him. Frankly, any normal person would have drowned or shot him after being screwed over and having people die for the 5th time.
This was one of the show's biggest faults, which forced the story into irrational territory by itself.
This post was edited on 5/18/10 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:13 pm to Freauxzen
the island isn't done with him yet 
you could say the same thing for every action hero or scary movie killer.
defying the odds of survival.
you could say the same thing for every action hero or scary movie killer.
defying the odds of survival.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:13 pm to Freauxzen
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There is no reason for Ben to be alive except that people "like" his character. That's it. The writers wrote him into plots he had no place being in. The characters on the show never questioned him. Frankly, any normal person would have drowned or shot him after being screwed over and having people die for the 5th time.
Yeah, they just called him on the fly to play the captured baloon guy, who at that point wasn't going to be the leader of the Others. They liked him so much though and decided after the first episode or two with Henry Gale that they would write him into the script and make him the leader.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:15 pm to TDTGodfather
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the island isn't done with him yet
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you could say the same thing for every action hero or scary movie killer.
defying the odds of survival.
The point is not that he "defied" any odds, it's that characters on the show allowed him to exist for no reason at all.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:17 pm to STLSU
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Yeah, they just called him on the fly to play the captured baloon guy, who at that point wasn't going to be the leader of the Others. They liked him so much though and decided after the first episode or two with Henry Gale that they would write him into the script and make him the leader.
And that's fine. But he served his purpose by Season 3, and had screwed over the Losties multiple times. Tortured people, captured people, killed people, lied about everything.
Normal people would have shot him or NEVER believed him again.
Ben was a good character who turned into an awful character of convenience and nothing more.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:20 pm to Freauxzen
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There is no reason for Ben to be alive except that people "like" his character. That's it. The writers wrote him into plots he had no place being in. The characters on the show never questioned him. Frankly, any normal person would have drowned or shot him after being screwed over and having people die for the 5th time.
This season, I agree and there is really no reason that he should have made it through Dr. Linus, except to maybe have an extremely important role in the finale, but thats serving the plot and something a writer should never do. I mean he killed both Locke and Jacob, and those 2 deaths literally set all hell loose, to where you would probably kill the person responsible for it regardless.
However, before this season, despite being in contact with him often, they really only had one real opportunity to kill him, and that was "Through the Looking Glass", and they couldn't kill him afterwards or else everybody was dead. There didn't seem to be any real need to kill Ben in the hatch since they could have still theoretically traded him for Walt and they felt they could eventually make him snap. I guess Sun should have killed him, but where would the fun in that be?
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:22 pm to Freauxzen
meh, he's not so much a killer but the rest is fair. I don't recall him killing any of the Losties. His lies are what kill people, no doubt about it.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:22 pm to seawolf06
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It is Ben's turn to flip back to the dark side, IMO.
Ben's been fully redeemed to where I seriously doubt it. Ben has seen that he has lost everything in his pursuit of power and revenge, and that he has ruined countless lives along the way because of it. I think MIB's next move is to go get Ben and try to force him to kill the Candidates, but I don't think Ben will go through with it.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:23 pm to Freauxzen
yeah but knowing what we know of the losties, not many of our main characters are cold blooded killers sans sayid.
you could argue that sawyer and kate who killed for their own reasons in the past aren't the kind to go blowing people away now. obviously michael would've done it if he thought it would bring him walt (ana l. and libby)
i always thought rousseau's crazy arse would've gotten him eventually. she needs to check her traps more often.
you could argue that sawyer and kate who killed for their own reasons in the past aren't the kind to go blowing people away now. obviously michael would've done it if he thought it would bring him walt (ana l. and libby)
i always thought rousseau's crazy arse would've gotten him eventually. she needs to check her traps more often.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:24 pm to STLSU
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I don't recall him killing any of the Losties
Locke laughs at this.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 1:25 pm to OMLandshark
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I mean he killed both Locke and Jacob, and those 2 deaths literally set all hell loose, to where you would probably kill the person responsible for it regardless.
And this plot would have worked well, imo, if they had not made him into a character that should not have been allowed to live.
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However, before this season, despite being in contact with him often, they really only had one real opportunity to kill him,
How many times have there been standoffs? Heck, Jack could have let him die on the table, right? Sacrificed himself in the process. It would have saved us from the 3 crappy seasons of Jack (who has since somewhat redeemed himself).
Bottom line: They had chances. Heck, they could have sent Sayid in to the Others camp at some point on a mission. I'm sure he could have gotten the job done.
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