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re: LOST "Across the Sea" S6.E15 (Jacob/MIB Centric)
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:17 am to etm512
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:17 am to etm512
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We learned that he wants to leave the island because...........he wants to. He feels trapped. Well we already knew that as well. Why is he trapped? How is he trapped?
I don't have a problem with the first part. He realizes the real world is his home. The island is b.s. to him. The second part -- why don't these people put their faith in a boat of some kind. Seems a lot less contrived than light+water+wheel?
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Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:19 am to baybeefeetz
They don't even fully understand the concept of magnetism yet they've somehow figured out how to stick a wheel in a rock face and escape from the island via teleportation
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:19 am to Muppet
quote:No doubt. No need to rewatch it. It was bad. That was the most indefensible part of the episode. It bordered on the midichlorian thing that the writers say they are trying to avoid. They should have just not done anything with the wheel and it would have been better.
The thing that baffled me most about the episode was MIB's explanation for what the frick he was doing with the wheel.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:20 am to etm512
When Ben turned the "wheel" and moved the island, I remember thinking, "oh, shite, I don't like where this is heading." I think the show has been weak since that moment.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:21 am to The Eric
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this episode was in a good spot. it is meant to break away from the original timeline just to give a bit of background on MIB and Jacob.
It was in the worst spot possible. I had the impression before this episode that after we saw "Across the Sea" that we would know for a fact that MIB was evil incarnate, which is why they delayed showing it. The momentum from the Candidate was incredible and people bitching about the series pretty much ceased from Ab Aeterno. Now that momentum has been destroyed and its this episode's fault and there isn't a specific reason why they showed it this late in the season. This episode should have been shown after Ab Aeterno or Happily Ever After, and in the very latest after The Last Recruit. The Candidate was the worst episode they could have put it behind this season.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:22 am to Muppet
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They don't even fully understand the concept of magnetism yet they've somehow figured out how to stick a wheel in a rock face and escape from the island via teleportation
Think of the movie Groundhog Day. If you could repeat days over and over or explore points along the timeline at will, you would have enough time to get enough understanding of atomic physics to make a nuclear bomb. Now, that's not to get into the intricacies of time travel, but there is a way for these people to understand a lot of stuff if they can just learn how to use a little bit of time travel somehow.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:23 am to Muppet
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They don't even fully understand the concept of magnetism yet they've somehow figured out how to stick a wheel in a rock face and escape from the island via teleportation
that's one of the worst parts
let's see, 2000 years ago, rocks, stone, wood and bamboo....but we're going to build a device that taps into the metaphysical nature of all mankind with an old tree branch and some homemade rope
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:23 am to Muppet
Some of you I think are WAY over analyzing things. I said it about 10 pages ago but I'll reiterate- there's a hell of a lot on this show that is stupid on the face of it and doesn't make sense. For frick's sake, the island dropped into the ocean and traveled through time and space. Yet people don't seem hung up on that, rather yall are pissed that there's a light at the heart of the island instead of something cooler. There was NO WAY they could explain the properties of the island without being corny, and some of yall are now let down because of it. Here's my take from here on out: there's still some giant questions left to be answered in 3 1/2 hours, and I feel confident they will be addressed. Every small thing won't be and I'm fine with it. I don't care if they don't say MIBs name, I don't care that people in 30 AD knew how to stick a wheel into the ground. It just isn't all that important in the GRAND, over-arching scheme of the show. I learned a long time ago in this show not to worry about every minute detail and just enjoy it.
Sure, I was a bit let down last night. It happens. But I'm not saying "frick lost, I'm done" by any means. There's still time folks, save your gripes til there's no episodes left.
Sure, I was a bit let down last night. It happens. But I'm not saying "frick lost, I'm done" by any means. There's still time folks, save your gripes til there's no episodes left.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:24 am to baybeefeetz
Now, mind you, I am in no way saying this is what has happened. I am saying that would be the only way to save the plot from the issues identified.
I am just going along. I want to enjoy it, so I will keep my rose-and-bernard colored glasses on.
I am just going along. I want to enjoy it, so I will keep my rose-and-bernard colored glasses on.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:24 am to Muppet
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The thing that baffled me most about the episode was MIB's explanation for what the frick he was doing with the wheel. I need to rewatch that scene and pay closer attention to what he says, but his explanation for how the light + the water + the wheel were supposed to get him off the island made no sense to me. Then she asked him how he knew it would work and his response was, "I just know."
Well the water explains why there would be alot of Ice in the wheel chamber. Something tells me we may see the wheel chamber again before the end. I don't have as much of a problems with the answers that were provided, but the lack of answers and nothing making sense with the characters we thought we knew. MIB and Jacob in this episode made their motives as of right now make no sense.
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 10:30 am
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:27 am to WG_Dawg
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pissed that there's a light at the heart of the island instead of something cooler.
I am starting to think that they have, in fact, Pulp Fictioned us, and it is intended that we'll always wonder exactly what the light is, how it came to exist, whatever. We'll only know a little bit about it. That's fine. The moment you explain exactly what something is and say it's the most desired thing ever, people can come up with valid reasons as to why it's not, which undermines your premise in a way that is not worth it.
I am cool with it, too.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:28 am to tigermeat
quote:I think it could be argued that LOST jumped the shark when Locke said, "We need to move the island." I thought, "oh shite, they've gone off the deep end." The story is still crazy as hell. I just don't really care because I like watching the characters and their interactions. They still evoke an emotional response from me. The writers still have a knack for framing important philosophical questions that each and every one of us should look at. Like free will versus fate. Do we have a choice? Faith versus reason. Is someone justified for action without knowledge(see religion)? It's stuff like this that draws me to the show. The other stuff is pretty damn ridiculous, but its no more ridiculous than what's in the Bible.
When Ben turned the "wheel" and moved the island, I remember thinking, "oh, shite, I don't like where this is heading." I think the show has been weak since that moment.
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 10:31 am
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:28 am to Beastwood
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Not sure if this has been mentioned but it seemed clear to me that the Temple was built on top of the light-cave.
It seems to me thats its been implied that Jacob and MIB arrived on the Island after the temple is built, solely due to their language. The structures on the Island were built by either a pre-Egyptian culture or the Egyptians themselves. In order to build a statue of that magnitude, they would obviously have to be a mighty and powerful civilization.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:30 am to OMLandshark
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Well the water explains why there would be alot of Ice in the wheel chamber.
I'm not sure how this helps explain the contraption nor how in the hell they figured out that they needed it to leave the island.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:30 am to baybeefeetz
No...again, we are all ok with mysteries and making our own guesses.
What we DO require is answers to what are characters' motivations. This we did not get satisfactorily last night.
What we DO require is answers to what are characters' motivations. This we did not get satisfactorily last night.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:31 am to WG_Dawg
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We learned that he wants to leave the island because...........he wants to. He feels trapped. Well we already knew that as well. Why is he trapped? How is he trapped?
that's my major beef. and agree with OML that this could've been placed anywhere.
the end of season 5 with the beach scene was so intriguing it made you believe that either
1) this was a game
2) MIB/Jacob were men on opposite ends of one of life's great arguments.
but this episode took a crap on both of those notions.
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But I'm not saying "frick lost, I'm done" by any means. There's still time folks, save your gripes til there's no episodes left.
none of the real fans are saying that i think, just expressing disappointment.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:31 am to baybeefeetz
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and it is intended that we'll always wonder exactly what the light is, how it came to exist, whatever
Right. Tarantino intentionally didn't reveal what it was for that reason. A lot of theorists say that it's a soul in the briefcase. Yet if they came right out and said it's a soul or whatever, people would say, "Well that's stupid!"
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:31 am to OMLandshark
fyi
True to our lost traditions - that sounds like an admission that we will be left hanging in major ways.
True to our lost traditions - that sounds like an admission that we will be left hanging in major ways.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:33 am to OMLandshark
quote:Didn't think about that.
It seems to me thats its been implied that Jacob and MIB arrived on the Island after the temple is built, solely due to their language. The structures on the Island were built by either a pre-Egyptian culture or the Egyptians themselves. In order to build a statue of that magnitude, they would obviously have to be a mighty and powerful civilization.
You may be right.Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:33 am to WG_Dawg
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Yet if they came right out and said it's a soul or whatever, people would say, "Well that's stupid!"
Right - and I am starting to detect some contempt for the audience for not accepting this principle in these last episodes. "If I answer questions that will just lead to more questions."
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