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re: LOST "Ab Aeterno" S6.E9 (Richard-centric)
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:38 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:38 pm to Antonio Moss
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:38 pm to Uncle Stu
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but if he has a policy of non-inteferment,
i dont buy this. i kinda subscribe to the flash sideways as life without island influence. jacob met the canidates at pivotal times in their lives and through these encounters pushed them towards the island. no jacob = no island = plane lands safely. during lost pop up video they make sure to talk about the diferences in real life and flash sideways life
This post was edited on 3/23/10 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:39 pm to Antonio Moss
It will be interesting to see no doubt. But i think that Jacob is still calling all the shots. Before his death, he set a chain of events into motion to stop MiB from escaping the island. he could have easily disarmed Ben like he did Richard. The reason he didn't was that he knew his successor was almost ready, which is why he told Ilana to take them to the temple, and that Richard would know what to do. He knew he was going to die.
Him hoping he was wrong just showed that despite knowing he was gonna die, he was still scared
Him hoping he was wrong just showed that despite knowing he was gonna die, he was still scared
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:39 pm to The Eric
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Jacob wants to prove that man is inherently good. He knows that eventually he will need a replacement since eventually MIB will find a way to kill him. So his primary mission is to find good people to prove MIB wrong, while his secondary mission is to try and make one of these good people his replacement for when MIB finally finds a way to kill him.
This is exactly what I think.
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:40 pm to OMLandshark
Even better.
Let MIB off earlier.
Let MIB off earlier.
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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The world ends and time resets.
The final scene of LOST is literally the very first scene on a reset clock.
I thought the producers already said there wasn't going to be a reset ending? Seemed I read that here, or somewhere.
Although, the fact that the series started with Jack waking up in the jungle, not on the beach with the rest of the survivors, kind of bears enforces that theory.
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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the goal of the game is for MIB to get off the island or for Jacob to keep him on, and humans are simply the pieces to play the game.
But like someone already said it is bigger than that. As long as Jacob never brings anyone to the Island, no one can kill him and MIB never leaves.
But Jacob (as you mention) is interested in humanity. He wants to show that people at their core are good and he will risk his life and MIB's prison to prove it.
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:41 pm to lsumatt
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But like someone already said it is bigger than that. As long as Jacob never brings anyone to the Island, no one can kill him and MIB never leaves.
But Jacob (as you mention) is interested in humanity. He wants to show that people at their core are good and he will risk his life and MIB's prison to prove it.
This is the only theory that makes any sense.
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:44 pm to joshnorris14
but if he sees the bigger picture wouldn't he realize that protecting the world from MIB is way more important than proving humans' can be good
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:45 pm to Lexo
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I thought the producers already said there wasn't going to be a reset ending? Seemed I read that here, or somewhere.
They said it wouldn't be a dream sequence reset. I'm talking a reset to the beginning of time, not the beginning of the series.
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Although, the fact that the series started with Jack waking up in the jungle, not on the beach with the rest of the survivors, kind of bears enforces that theory.
I could see that. It could be like a Matrix scenario where the same sequences plays out over and over again only with minor changes.
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:49 pm to lsumatt
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But like someone already said it is bigger than that. As long as Jacob never brings anyone to the Island, no one can kill him and MIB never leaves.
So if his only job was to keep MIB there, then why would ever bring anyone to the island? We know MIB can't kill him. It wouldn't make sense.
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But Jacob (as you mention) is interested in humanity. He wants to show that people at their core are good and he will risk his life and MIB's prison to prove it.
Meh, I don't give Jacob that much altruistic credit. I see he and MIB as equals and superior to humans.
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:51 pm to sgallo3
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but if he sees the bigger picture wouldn't he realize that protecting the world from MIB is way more important than proving humans' can be good
This is why the destruction-reset theory works. The bottom line is that neither care about humans or the world, they just care about winning and they know that even if MIB gets off, they'll just start the game over.
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:51 pm to Antonio Moss
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Meh, I don't give Jacob that much altruistic credit.
It is all good and evil. They have rammed that down our throat and people are still not buying that Jacob is good and MIB evil? I mean he took a knife from Ben without even trying to stop him...all in hope that Ben would choose "good"
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:53 pm to sgallo3
quote:Unless he knows time will reset if humanity loses.
but if he sees the bigger picture wouldn't he realize that protecting the world from MIB is way more important than proving humans' can be good
Seriously though, your statement is my central disagreement to this theory.
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:54 pm to Antonio Moss
so then what does "it only ends once, everything before that is just progress" -jacob at end of season 5 mean with respect to the theories about jacob's interest in humanity
also really random question but I was rewatching season 4 (how the hell does ben call smokey/MiB to attack the military guys from freighter when they are holed up in his house?
also really random question but I was rewatching season 4 (how the hell does ben call smokey/MiB to attack the military guys from freighter when they are holed up in his house?
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:55 pm to Antonio Moss
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but if he sees the bigger picture wouldn't he realize that protecting the world from MIB is way more important than proving humans' can be good
Because if they can't choose good, there is no use for them anyway. This all appears to be a microcosm for the Bible and Christian Theology. You can argue all day that God could save us all and take us to Heaven, but instead throws us out there and lets us sink or swim on our own.
This post was edited on 3/23/10 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:55 pm to lsumatt
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They have rammed that down our throat and people are still not buying that Jacob is good and MIB evil?
this episode even through more doubt in jacob's goodness. theres something about him that just doesn't give off the completly innocent trying to save the world vibe - he has alteriar motives.
jacob fricked up alot of people's lives for them to be candidates ..
This post was edited on 3/23/10 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:55 pm to joshnorris14
when you really think about it, it really is like a giant game of backgammon...
Jacob is obviously blocking MIB's moves and attempts to get off the board...
I love when stuff comes full circle..
and yes i know this has been discussed before.
Jacob is obviously blocking MIB's moves and attempts to get off the board...
I love when stuff comes full circle..
and yes i know this has been discussed before.
Posted on 3/23/10 at 11:01 pm to St Augustine
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so then what does "it only ends once, everything before that is just progress" -jacob at end of season 5 mean with respect to the theories about jacob's interest in humanity
Because Jacob can only win once. MIB is constantly attempting to escape through human manipulation. When he wins, everything resets. For Jacob to win, he has to keep MIB trapped for eternity, thus "it only ends once, everything before that is just progress."
Posted on 3/23/10 at 11:02 pm to lsumatt
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This all appears to be a microcosm for the Bible and Christian Theology.
Or any other religion in the history of man.
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