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re: Looks like the lesson for Stranger Things is: (spoiler alert)
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:08 am to Oates Mustache
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:08 am to Oates Mustache
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He finally had enough and tapped into the fact that he is connected to Vecna, accepts that as his life, and starts kicking arse.
Sort of. He's always been easily scared. He has an attraction to his best friend Mike (who is not gay) and is scared that if he lets Mike know, Mike will no longer be his friend.
The pivotal point of the montage came from his discussion with Robin about her accepting her lesbianism enough to strike out into a relationship and then urging him to (essentially) stop being afraid of letting people know he's gay.
There's a message of "stop being afraid of who you are" but that's a common messaging to the LGTB+ANUS crowd. Combine that with the final bits of the montage being about his homosexuality (fear of rejection from expressing it) and it comes across as "being gay is a super power" (or some such) at first blush. You have to work to see a larger story there because of how they laid it out.
Had they done the sequence in reverse, where it starts with the conversation with Robin (maybe even include a line about "dude, as long as I've known you you've always been afraid of even your own shadow") then goes back through the years to all the points in time of his being scared (especially if there are quotes which can be snagged asking why he's scared or stating there's no reason to be scared, etc) and then culminates in the current period where he sees himself gaining abilities and then sees his friends in danger with the echoes of "stop being scared" bouncing around... that would have been a far clearer message.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 8:20 am
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:52 am to arktiger28
So is his whole power gaining deal due to believing in himself? If that's the answer, can't everybody believe in themselves and dude has no chance? Or was he jacked into the sucky matrix and got out so he is now granted super powers? He started feeling the upside down stuff in season 2, and yet no mention of "mang believe in yourself and you do super stuffs". If I remember, his sexuality was checked off as "none" in prior seasons, which makes a ton of sense.
That's why people are pointing to this as him coming out as gay and getting super powers, because they did an incredibly shitty job of explaining why he's Neo.
That's why people are pointing to this as him coming out as gay and getting super powers, because they did an incredibly shitty job of explaining why he's Neo.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:32 am to Oates Mustache
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Anyone reading gay shite into this part of his story is just looking for it.
Yeah, it's stupid that they made his character love Mike, but that has nothing to do with his rise into power.
Are you serious?
Let me start by saying I like this season, I enjoyed all the episodes. Including the fourth. But you'd have to have been Stevie Wonder watching the end to EP4 to not think a main part of it was him accepting his gayness.
He was watching Robin and her girlfriend kiss and was instrigued by it. Robin knew that it was him who saw them and ran off. She then notices Will being attreacted to Mike and touching him in a way that shows that. When she notices that, that's when she decides to talk to him and tell him to basically be himself, it's ok to be gay. Next thing you know he's recalling those words and all his memories with Mike and he's got his powers.
You may want to put blinders on and that's fine but you're certainly purposefully ignoring a message. i read a recap episode on some online site, Rolling Stone I think, and the person was literally just beaming with excitement about the discovery of Will's sexuality and using it become more. Both episode recaps I read talked about it. This isn't some tigerdroppings bubble thing like many takes on here.
Will being gay is whatever. He's gay in real life and he's acted pretty gay the entire series. But introducing his sexuality in S5 EP4 when literally all of their lives are at stake, is just retarded. NOW is when you want to explore Will's sexuality? It's too late in the story to be introducing dumb stuff like that.
Maybe they don't take it any further and now we just know Will is gay, fine, but I'm sure there will be more to it.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:52 am to Oates Mustache
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Anyone reading gay shite into this part of his story is just looking for it.
What?! They literally did a whole montage of young Will looking at his male crush right before he suddenly gains superpowers. No one is "looking for it", the agenda is being pushed by the writers.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:54 am to migui8618
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So is his whole power gaining deal due to believing in himself? If that's the answer, can't everybody believe in themselves and dude has no chance? Or was he jacked into the sucky matrix and got out so he is now granted super powers? He started feeling the upside down stuff in season 2, and yet no mention of "mang believe in yourself and you do super stuffs". If I remember, his sexuality was checked off as "none" in prior seasons, which makes a ton of sense.
Not at all. It's not all about believing in yourself that gives you power. His power has been there and growing as he began to realize that he could see as if he were part of Vecna. Once he realized he could see as part of Vecna, he realized that he might be able to ACT as Vecna and have access to that power. He needed the confidence he gained after talking with Robin (and also after Mike mentioned that he probably had power he could use) to actually be able to tap into that power. If he were not confident in it's use, he would quickly get beat down and not use it effectively. I feel it's sort of like when Harry Potter learns to use his Patronus. You can't do it half arse. It's your all or it doesn't work.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:04 am to SEC Doctor
Will literally used The Power of the Gay to defeat those demogorgons
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:08 am to SEC Doctor
quote:It's specifically subtle
The lesbian character noticed the gay guy was gay and basically told him to embrace his gayness, then he gets superpowers. It’s not even subtle.
the whole speech was about stop being scared and find strength by accepting who you are. If you want to make a connection to Will being gay from that it's valid, because he is, but for the storyline it was about him accepting that he's a "vessel" for Vecna or whatever the frick's going on, and that acceptance leads him to tapping into the hivemind. ...I'm still going to refer to it as Will's gay powers though
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:08 am to bad93ex
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When will we get comments from the producers of the show as to what their intent was with this storyline?
They've had Will reacting strangely for several seasons now doing things holding his neck when shite starts to go down, puking up a slug worm thing, and hallucinating. They've absolutely been building towards him having some sort of connection to the upside down and Vecna.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:19 am to Dr RC
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They've had Will reacting strangely for several seasons now doing things holding his neck when shite starts to go down, puking up a slug worm thing, and hallucinating. They've absolutely been building towards him having some sort of connection to the upside down and Vecna.
Everyone knows Will has had a connection to the upside down. He was talking about the Duffer Bros possibly commenting on the sexuality thing.
They did a little.
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The Duffers also confirmed that Will’s emotional arc is central to why he unlocks these abilities now. His biggest shift is internal. His connection to Robin, his growing acceptance of himself, and Mike’s encouragement all feed into this breakthrough.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:38 am to iwyLSUiwy
So glad I didn't watch. It sounds horrible. I barely made it through the last season. Oh well...it was a good run
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:26 pm to LaLadyinTx
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Not at all. It's not all about believing in yourself that gives you power. His power has been there and growing as he began to realize that he could see as if he were part of Vecna. Once he realized he could see as part of Vecna, he realized that he might be able to ACT as Vecna and have access to that power. He needed the confidence he gained after talking with Robin (and also after Mike mentioned that he probably had power he could use) to actually be able to tap into that power. If he were not confident in it's use, he would quickly get beat down and not use it effectively. I feel it's sort of like when Harry Potter learns to use his Patronus. You can't do it half arse. It's your all or it doesn't work.
How did he get those powers? He was plugged into upside down matrix and got out. Just like Neo...all he had to do was believe (and crave man meat) and he's magically a deity. The lazy part is that this was available as a story arch for 3.5 seasons. At least with Neo, he had people telling him from near the beginning of the story he was the dude. Will...he was uterrly useless and everybody clearly thought that as well...up until he craved the sausage and was told to be cool with sausage cravings.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:32 pm to Dr RC
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They've absolutely been building towards him having some sort of connection to the upside down and Vecna.
By Will doing what exactly? Looking constipated? 3.5 seasons to build this up properly. He's done nothing exceptional at all. That's why people are saying he got the gay powers, because this is more out of nowhere than an RKO, and the only thing he has done of note in season 5 part 1 is get told gay is good.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 2:35 pm to ell_13
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If Will’s gayness is one, it’s just in a line of many. Don’t see a reason to make any more of it than that.
Agreed. Someone needs to tell the showrunners that, though.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 2:46 pm to migui8618
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Will...he was uterrly useless and everybody clearly thought that as well...up until he craved the sausage and was told to be cool with sausage cravings.
I'm not saying OP is wrong about gay=hero. But the arch started when Will and Robin went to the playground for Will to try to recreate what he was seeing/hearing. When Joyce found them, he lashed out about how he is always useless and doesn't want to run or be scared anymore. He started embracing then. The end was just the acceptance.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:55 pm to migui8618
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By Will doing what exactly? Looking constipated? 3.5 seasons to build this up properly. He's done nothing exceptional at all. That's why people are saying he got the gay powers, because this is more out of nowhere than an RKO, and the only thing he has done of note in season 5 part 1 is get told gay is good.
What do you think spitting up slugs, visions, pain in his neck, and increasing (during this season) debilitating paid when Vecna feels pain is? He's been having the neck pain and visions for many seasons. The visions have gotten increasingly more concerning to him and he's attempted more and more to hide it. I think he's hidden it to try not to worry people and also because he was scared and kept hoping it would go away.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 3:56 pm
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