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re: Lightyear flops earning only $51 million opening weekend
Posted on 6/20/22 at 12:28 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 6/20/22 at 12:28 am to OMLandshark
quote:What planet are you from?
The most popular animated character created in the last 30 years
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 12:33 am to Fewer Kilometers
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What planet are you from?
Name the more popular animated character made in the last 30 years than Buzz. The only ones coming to mind may be Pikachu and SpongeBob.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 12:50 am to OMLandshark
In 30 years of Southpark, Simpsons, Family Guy, SpongeBob, Rick and Morty, Frozen, Incredibles, Minions, Cars, Pokémon, Dragonball, and characters like Dory, Harley Quinn, and Miles Morales, you think that Buzz Lightyear is the runaway winner?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 12:59 am to Fewer Kilometers
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In 30 years of Southpark, Simpsons, Family Guy, SpongeBob, Rick and Morty, Frozen, Incredibles, Minions, Cars, Pokémon, Dragonball, and characters like Dory, Harley Quinn, and Miles Morales, you think that Buzz Lightyear is the runaway winner?
With all those, yes I think Buzz is a more iconic character than those. Some of those are older than 30 years, but that’s besides the point. You really think anyone in Family Guy is more iconic than Buzz Lightyear? What a fricking insult to the character of them even being compared. And the Minions are just a rip off of the Rabbids from Rayman, so frick off there too.
And the characters in Cars are better than Buzz Lightyear? These examples are pathetic and are proving my point. What is Lightning McQueen’s catch phrase? I don’t know, but Buzz Lightyear may have the most iconic one of all time: To Infinity and Beyond. Everyone can tell you Buzz Lightyear’s catch phrase. Your argument has failed.
EDIT: Honestly, Seth MacFarlane himself would tell you that you’ve lost your fricking mind to claim he has made a more iconic character than Buzz Lightyear.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 1:06 am
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:18 am to Fewer Kilometers
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And you think their expectation was that this spinoff would challenge the highest grossing animated film of all time?
Toy story is Pixar’s premier franchise. Pixar from 1995 to 2020 was one of the most consistent commercially and critically successful studios.
Buzz lightyear is easy money. You make a family friendly space movie and you have every family sitting in seats and buying popcorn.
I know this because my young son heard the word lightyear and saw buzz on tv and said let’s go see the buzz lightyear movie dad.
And make fun of oml all you want but do you know who has a ride at Disneyworld? Not Woody. It’s buzz. Because the concept is so incredibly stand alone and easy-family friendly space guy. Much easier to sell to kids nowadays space aliens and rockets than cowboys (plot line from toy story 2 lol)
You may not think it should hit frozen 1 and I get that but this result is incredibly disappointing and it’s not because it’s a difficult concept to market.
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Turning Red had a $175 Million budget and did $20 Mill. Soul had a budget of $150 Mill and did $120 Mill. Onward had a budget between $175 to $200 Mill and did $142 Mill. Pixar movies are currently in the $150-$200 Mill budget range
All 3 were Disney+ from the get go.
This was Pixar getting back in the game and they picked that film to be lightyear for a reason-it should sell itself and put butts in the seats
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 6:20 am
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:29 am to Adam Banks
I don’t think Onward went straight to D+. The 3 that did were Soul, Luca, and Turning Red.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:33 am to OMLandshark
Sonic the hedgehog 2 made $71 mil at the beginning of April. Summer hadn’t even started and families were clamoring for a big release targeted at kids (mainly boys). It was the exact same target audience and a much smaller IP than Toy Story yet did 40% more. This is a monumental failure and has nothing to do with JW or Maverick. Just wait till Minions is released next week. Lightyear may not hit 150 domestic.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:20 am to OMLandshark
quote:One last thing and it has to do with how big of an IP Toy Story is and specifically Buzz himself. I did some digging.
With all those, yes I think Buzz is a more iconic character than those. Some of those are older than 30 years, but that’s besides the point. You really think anyone in Family Guy is more iconic than Buzz Lightyear? What a fricking insult to the character of them even being compared. And the Minions are just a rip off of the Rabbids from Rayman, so frick off there too. And the characters in Cars are better than Buzz Lightyear? These examples are pathetic and are proving my point. What is Lightning McQueen’s catch phrase? I don’t know, but Buzz Lightyear may have the most iconic one of all time: To Infinity and Beyond. Everyone can tell you Buzz Lightyear’s catch phrase. Your argument has failed.
From 1996 to 2010, Toy story sold 9 billion in merch far exceeding any other property. The year TS3 was released they sold 2.4 billion that year alone which was a record for a single film at the time. Frozen may have beaten it. And finally, Disney has sold one toy more than any other toy in its history… the Buzz Lightyear figurine. Think about that for a second. More than Mickey himself.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 10:21 am
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:29 am to OMLandshark
Good. Lesbians suck.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:31 am to ell_13
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From 1996 to 2010, Toy story sold 9 billion in merch far exceeding any other property. The year TS3 was released they sold 2.4 billion that year alone which was a record for a single film at the time. Frozen may have beaten it. And finally, Disney has sold one toy more than any other toy in its history… the Buzz Lightyear figurine. Think about that for a second. More than Mickey himself.
Wow. This movie is an even bigger bomb than I originally thought. There's no way this should have been a flop and they will do well not to misrepresent and pretend to misunderstand the reason why.
ETA: Also, your post makes it clear that OMLandshark is correct about how iconic Buzz Lightyear is as a character. Great post.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:32 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Miles Morales
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:33 am to ell_13
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I don’t think Onward went straight to D+. The 3 that did were Soul, Luca, and Turning Red.
onward was out for a very limited release but got pulled because of Covid. then they released it to D+ a couple of weeks later.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:35 am to imjustafatkid
quote:There’s a reason Disneys first Toy Story ride was a Buzz ride. There’s a reason Disneys first stand alone Toy Story movie was a Buzz movie. They knew what they had. But they somehow fricked this up. When this movie was first teased, no one would have seen this coming. It’s truly amazing what Disney has done to its image.
how iconic Buzz Lightyear is as a character
ETA: more the OML’s point, “to infinity and beyond” was used in Beyoncé's biggest song of all time: Single Ladies. Bieber mentions Buzz in Boyfriend. NASA made a big deal about bringing the buzz toy to the ISS and doing experiments with it. The astronauts used his phrase as well during take off.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:42 am to ell_13
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I don’t think Onward went straight to D+. The 3 that did were Soul, Luca, and Turning Red.
It got a theatrical release in March 2021, so technically Onward was the previous "theatrical release" for Pixar, but a lot of theaters were already shut down at that point so I'm not sure it's really fair to call that a theatrical release. It was out on digital 2 weeks after the theatrical release.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:43 am to Fewer Kilometers
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In 30 years of Southpark, Simpsons, Family Guy, SpongeBob, Rick and Morty, Frozen, Incredibles, Minions, Cars, Pokémon, Dragonball, and characters like Dory, Harley Quinn, and Miles Morales, you think that Buzz Lightyear is the runaway winner?
Parents are not bringing kids to see most of these. Honestly, my kids know who all these are, but have no desire to watch (outside of Spongebob but that is waning as they are getting older).
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:46 am to ell_13
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They knew what they had. But they somehow fricked this up.
My wife and kids went from super excited for this film, to only talking about it when they're mad about what's going on with Disney right now.
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When this movie was first teased, no one would have seen this coming. It’s truly amazing what Disney has done to its image.
It's amazing how quickly a company can lose its family-friendly reputation. And if that's what makes you money, then you can't afford to lose it.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:49 am to ell_13
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It’s truly amazing what Disney has done to its image.
Well, it's self inflicted.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 11:27 am to ell_13
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ETA: more the OML’s point, “to infinity and beyond” was used in Beyoncé's biggest song of all time: Single Ladies. Bieber mentions Buzz in Boyfriend. NASA made a big deal about bringing the buzz toy to the ISS and doing experiments with it. The astronauts used his phrase as well during take off.
A really cool story about the catchphrase is once a father and his son got swept out to sea and to keep up with one another the father would scream “To Infinity” and the son would shout back “And Beyond”. They were stranded at sea treading water for 15 hours: Fox News
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 11:28 am to blueboy
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Good. Lesbians suck.
They lick.
Get out more.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 11:32 am to imjustafatkid
I looked at a couple articles regarding lightyears opening and it seems Hollywood and Disney are taking their cues from fewer kilometers and jay are (or vice versa)
Apparently the concept is too complicated and THATS why families didn’t show up.
Clearly the journalists don’t have kids because you tell an elementary school boy “hey there’s a buzz lightyear movie do you want to go” and they are going to be all in. They don’t need a complicated explanation from the trailer. That’s for the parents to be entertained. The parents would go to a buzz lightyear movie no matter what (gotta get the kids out of the house and entertained it’s the dead heat of summer, no school, etc) but the parents being entertained is a plus.
And then the other reason is that Disney has conditioned families to wait on streaming. Mind you this didn’t affect top gun or Jurassic world or heck even sonic 2 despite services like paramount+ doing similar things.
Somehow they completely ignore the controversy that got the film banned abroad and had its star insulting potential viewers
I always wonder what the board room conversation is regarding this. Yes I get they will play the PR not a problem game in the press but surely they have to realize the problem right?
But based on Star Wars it’s like the Simpsons principal runs Disney
Apparently the concept is too complicated and THATS why families didn’t show up.
Clearly the journalists don’t have kids because you tell an elementary school boy “hey there’s a buzz lightyear movie do you want to go” and they are going to be all in. They don’t need a complicated explanation from the trailer. That’s for the parents to be entertained. The parents would go to a buzz lightyear movie no matter what (gotta get the kids out of the house and entertained it’s the dead heat of summer, no school, etc) but the parents being entertained is a plus.
And then the other reason is that Disney has conditioned families to wait on streaming. Mind you this didn’t affect top gun or Jurassic world or heck even sonic 2 despite services like paramount+ doing similar things.
Somehow they completely ignore the controversy that got the film banned abroad and had its star insulting potential viewers
I always wonder what the board room conversation is regarding this. Yes I get they will play the PR not a problem game in the press but surely they have to realize the problem right?
But based on Star Wars it’s like the Simpsons principal runs Disney
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