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re: Kurt Cobain - Montage of Heck

Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:53 pm to
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:53 pm to
totally forgot this is coming on tonight!
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:54 pm to
It's over 2 hours long too
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:05 pm to
Goddamn that was a crazy story
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:12 pm to
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Was gonna post the trailer on the music board a couple days ago, but they shite on Cobain pretty hard over there so I said fck it


Yet a thread about Slipknot gets 4 pages of praise. Gotta be the worst music forum on the internet outside of Phish sites.
Posted by SoDakHawk
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:19 pm to
I never "got" Nirvana when they exploded. I was a senior in h.s. headed to college. The music was good but I didn't get his whole hopeless, apathetic thing. I looked at it, I didn't feel stuck, Nirvana didn't appear to be stuck, they were a success so it didn't make sense.

My college roommate "got" it. I remember him telling me after Cobain committed suicide that he was "real", that was what his music was and that he had the guts to go through with it and kill himself. I didn't understand that at all. I realized my roommate and I were in completely different places at that point in our lives.
Posted by Othello
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:33 pm to
These fricking home movies with Courtney are creeping me out in the worst way. So weird and gross.

Seeing his artwork, he was a fantastic artist. Anytime an artist kills themself or dies young a mythology develops about them and that makes them like a Greek or Roman God and enhances their image beyond what any living person or person who lived to be much older could ever reach. The same for Hendrix (my favorite artist), Joplin, Morrison, Jeff Buckley, etc. And I'm a fan of them all including Kurt.

I don't think Nirvana would have that legendary status to such a wide number of people if he hadn't offed himself but he was very very talented and I would have loved to hear other records from him or Nirvana had he lived because I know he would have at some point made a record like the Beatles and changed his sound up, he would have gotten bored with doing things too much the same. It's why In Utero is so different from Nevermind.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 9:55 pm
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:05 pm to
For sure. Those home movies with Courtney are effed up.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:06 pm to
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I don't think Nirvana would have that legendary status to such a wide number of people if he hadn't offed himself


They were selling more albums than Michael Jackson did in his prime, while Cobain was still alive. They were the biggest rock band since the Beatles...
Posted by Othello
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:09 pm to
And Hootie and the Blowfish broke a lot of those records but they aren't legendary in my opinion. Album sales are not what it's all about for me. It's about a legacy of not just how did the album sell but what was the content of the album. I always liked Nevermind a lot but have never been a fan of In Utero, though I totally respect Kurt and the guys for not repeating themselves.
Posted by SoDakHawk
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:11 pm to
Disagree. Other bands were bigger and still are more legendary. Led Zeppelin being the first that comes to mind.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:15 pm to
I think they would be more popular now if he hadn't killed himself. A lot of people seem to hate him now.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:16 pm to
I agree with you there, just think that when Nirvana first blew up that it was a bigger craze than when Zeppelin did. Look at their entire bodies of work Zeppelin is way more legendary.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:16 pm to
Now this is turning into a shitty music board thread. Congrats guys.
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:19 pm to
No. This discussion has to transcend more than just the show. I hang out on the music board from time to time. Discussions like this don't happen there.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:21 pm to
I cancelled HBO a while ago but found a free version of the movie on the internet, gonna watch it later tonight.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:22 pm to
Has it ended yet? What did you guys think of it?
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
8596 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:25 pm to
I vividly remember Nirvana blowing up. They were big but no bigger than Pearl Jam and a few others. GnR was still freaking huge. You could hear Courtney Love's jealousy in the home movies. How many times did she reference GnR? About that same time frame Green Day was blowing up too. There was a lot going on in the early 90's, it wasn't just a Nirvana only scene.

That whole show kind of disturbed me. Watching the home vids of Kurt and Courtney strung out of their minds living in filth was numbing. I felt scared and very badly for that poor child they had. They couldn't take care of themselves much less a baby.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:30 pm to
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For sure. Those home movies with Courtney are effed up.

The 'Amazing Grace' scene was just fricked up, and I'm a big Nirvana fan. They were Sid and Nancy level high.
Posted by Sayre
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:31 pm to
That was really good, and so fitting that they ended with the Leadbelly cover. I've always thought that look in Kurt's eyes as he starts the last verse is one of the most haunting things I've ever seen, and they showed it from a much closer angle.

If they hadn't had such success, going from nowhere to the biggest band at the time over night, he'd probably still be alive. Say, if they'd only had the success level of his friend Buzz's band the Melvins.

He was really one conflicted, complicated man. I think a lot of the hate for him now comes from people that can't get over him killing himself or the kinds of shallow people that are so common that can't empathize with others or see things on any kind of deeper level.

This reminded me just how great Nevermind was, and just how big an impact it had. It also makes me wish even more that I'd gotten to see them live. The thought of being in the crowd when they crank into Territorial Pissings really gets me going.

The home movies with Courtney don't freak me out at all. The only part of that that did was the last one where he's nodding off hold Francis. That was just beyond sad. Hell, Courtney seemed like the sane one at that point.
Posted by Othello
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:31 pm to
Yeah it was very disturbing. Very interesting but not something I want to rewatch again anytime soon, if ever really. I liked it overall though as an insight into his life and his art, but there was just so much pain and drug abuse.

My only real complaint is that I wish they had covered more of the lead up to his death and the aftermath but I guess they felt like that has been covered so much elsewhere. I had heard it was going to get into some of the conspiracies of if he was murdered but I guess that article I read was wrong or misinformed and I guess because there is an excellent documentary on that already they didn't feel the need to get into it.
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