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re: Keep politics off this board...thanks...

Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38442 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:25 pm to
Ugh, this stinks.

First off, to the people complaining - how about not clicking links or participating in discussions that go political? Why the whining? Pretty weak group of people you are - and I mean that. Find another way other than top down fiat.

Movies are cultural they are bound to cross political lines, ideals, beliefs in SOME way. It's automatic, it's almost required - because all movies carry with it some sort of orientation within the cultural fabric that will make some point, or take some stance, or infer some belief.

Now, does that mean every conversation should be political? Of course not, that's not fun either. Does that mean we should wash politics out of the discourse entirely? Of course not, you can't talk about film without talking about culture, religion, politics - it's IMPOSSIBLE. The grey area here is ENORMOUS.

So I'm guessing we can't talk about the political inference of Battleship Potemkin? That we can't discuss how Russian politics infers Tarkovsky? Can't talk about the often blatant representations of MAGA in the Boys? Are all of those discussions worthwhile? Maybe, maybe not. But all you've done is reduce discussion, reduced the scope of what we can talk about, reduced our ability to talk about a film in the context of culture. Can we talk about philosophy? Can we talk about religion? Can we talk about ethics? Can we talk about morals?

Not every discussion has to be political, but you also can't say No discussion can be political. You just did the extreme in the other direction. Congrats I guess.

My suggestion - I go back to the original run of Game of Thrones. I've never watched the show, for what many of you probably view as lame reasons - mostly the sex and incest. But you do you. I don't like the content, don't like the discussion, don't like anything about it. You know what I did? Never clicked on an episode link. It's not hard.

Now at one time, you had one thread - then the one sticky became two stickies. Then the two stickies for nerds and non nerds became 2 stickies and a countless amount of post-episode topics for people who wanted to have their idea have it's own thread. You know what a few of us did instead of complain to our benevolent Chicken to make a large decree? We asked the board to police itself. How about keeping it to the episode threads? How about reporting individual posts that were totally pointless? How about creating a culture that DIDN'T create a whole bunch of useless GoT threads every single week. And that would persist even after the season ended.


How about we do that now? How about we ask Chicken to reverse this decision, allow political discussion, and create a different culture around it?


Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
18061 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:26 pm to
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course they race swapped the main character to black! You know what they are trying to do!



That statement has nothing to do with politics though.

I agree that is a common post we see in threads. But is that not an appropriate discussion of a movie or a show? Most films and shows are adapted from books and are changed somewhat for film. Are we not supposed to discuss it? Seems dumb.

Again, that is social commentary, not politics. This is why censorship is so difficult. You gotta try to draw the line somewhere. But the people in favor of censorship will always want the line redrawn again and again.

In our present situation you have two groups who want censorship. Group 1 is are movie fans that are tired of having to trudge through all the bullshite to discuss a movie. Group 2 are the disney defenders that dont like when people point out disneys very obvious agenda.

Im in the group that doesnt like censorship at all. Marketplace of ideas. I can sift through the bullshite and i dont mind different opinions.

Wouldnt it be easier if you could just block posts from certain users? Havent people been asking for that for years? I could block 3 posters and cut way way down on this problem.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83190 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:26 pm to
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I blame Hollywood.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38442 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:28 pm to
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Exactly, some people can't understand there is a difference between a show being political and a shows casting choices/character sexualities.

Political: Argo

Not Political: The Acolyte



This is not a fact that someone can determine by ANY degree, and that's the problem with a global decree. The Acolyte creators explicitly made it a political entity. They said it out loud.

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If you wanna discuss the politics BEHIND a show rather than within it, that is a political discussion for the poli board.


But even the very ideas of "good" and "evil" are Moral ones, and moral ideas necessitate a social agreement to understand - and that's where politics start to come in.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61313 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:31 pm to
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For the 96th Oscars (2024), a film must meet TWO out of FOUR of the following standards to be deemed eligible



Oppenheimer just won Best Picture at this ceremony. Its diversity was two white women and Remi Malek. If it can meet the diversity requirement, any movie can.


The requirements are in effect in 2024. Oppenheimer would not be retroactively affected




Juuuuuuuuuust missed it.
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:34 pm to
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how about not clicking links or participating in discussions that go political?

so i should avoid the episode thread for a show i'm watching if someone that admittedly doesn't watch/hasn't watched the show goes in the thread and makes it political?

It's the political folks invading the show watcher threads, not the show watchers going into political threads and trying to talk about non-political stuff. you have this backwards.

we aren't going to the poli board and bringing up the acolyte, poli board posters are coming to the acolyte thread and talking politics.
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38442 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:36 pm to
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Thats just a reallllly stupid policy for a message board.

The political board shouldn’t be filled with threads about fricking Star Wars or LoTR.

Look i agree that i wish the majority of M/TV today wasn’t heavy handed political messaging. But it’s down stream of politics. That board should be for discussing government and politicians and news.

This is a dumb requests that is meant to run cover and simply “do not criticize Hollywood for ruining shite” and borderline victim blaming us as the audience. But whatever.


Upvote.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38442 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:37 pm to
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so i should avoid the episode thread for a show i'm watching if someone that admittedly doesn't watch/hasn't watched the show goes in the thread and makes it political?

It's the political folks invading the show watcher threads, not the show watchers going into political threads and trying to talk about non-political stuff. you have this backwards.


Then ignore the post and don't engage.

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we aren't going to the poli board and bringing up the acolyte, poli board posters are coming to the acolyte thread and talking politics.


Like 2 people. But now you've hurt everyone because of a couple of people.

Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1749 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:39 pm to
The issue is that it devolves into ad hominem attacks and pissing matches.

Look The Acolyte creator and Amandla made it political. But the discussion should be on the merits or the show.

Why does every discussion about every show have to morph into a discussion about the director or actor’s politics. It’s exhausting.


Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61313 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:40 pm to
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how about not clicking links or participating in discussions that go political?


How is that even possible when the same few people on this board make EVERYTHING about politics?

You want to be mad at somebody? Be mad at the dickheads who constantly take over and ruin threads to bitch about political slights, often massively exaggerated or completely imagined, of shows and movies they have never once watched for themselves.
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 1:45 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38442 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:45 pm to
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The issue is that it devolves into ad hominem attacks and pissing matches.



So we should all agree to hop out and let the thread die.

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Look The Acolyte creator and Amandla made it political. But the discussion should be on the merits or the show.



Wrong.

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Why does every discussion about every show have to morph into a discussion about the director or actor’s politics. It’s exhausting.



I agree, but there are better ways to handle it.
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
2627 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:45 pm to
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In our present situation you have two groups who want censorship. Group 1 is are movie fans that are tired of having to trudge through all the bullshite to discuss a movie. Group 2 are the disney defenders that dont like when people point out disneys very obvious agenda


How is it censorship? Chicken didn't ban it from Tigerdroppings. He has given you a place for these discussions.

But the people who want to bring down every thread don't want that because they know they won't get the same engagement on the PT board.

Censorship would be banning it all together. That is not what is happening. I know people want to pretend it is because honestly the majority of this site seems to hate the PT board.

And let's not pretend like when these topics come up that people here have any form of a civil discussion. It's toxic from both sides. That's what bothers me the most about the people arguing against this decision. People wanting to pretend like both sides aren't equally guilty. There is a number of posters here who's whole gig is just to shite on every Disney thread regardless of the discussion. That's not constructive or meaningful.
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 1:47 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38442 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:47 pm to
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How is that even possible when the same few people on this board make EVERYTHING about politics?



A few people on the board made almost 40% of Page 1 Game of Thrones at the time, and we didn't need Chicken to change that practice. I remember doing the math to prove my point at the time.

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You want to be mad at somebody? Be mad at the dickheads who constantly take over and ruin threads to bitch about political slights, often massively exaggerated or completely imagined, of shows and movies they have never once watched for themselves.


Yes, they suck too. And we should limit engagement, ignore threads and let certain threads die. They only post because people respond.

Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1749 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:47 pm to
How is that wrong?

Also the mentality you are stating is take your ball and go home. Why not just eliminate the problem or the 7-8 people that make everything about politics. People that live like this must literally be so exhausted all the time.

Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62775 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:47 pm to
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Look The Acolyte creator and Amandla made it political. But the discussion should be on the merits or the show.


That's part of the merits of the show.

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Why does every discussion about every show have to morph into a discussion about the director or actor’s politics. It’s exhausting.


You'd have to ask the creators of the shows about why they made them political. No one else did that for them.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26066 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:48 pm to
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The issue is that it devolves into ad hominem attacks and pissing matches.


This is the blunt point. It shouldn't, and those posts should be dealt with. I fully agree here.

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Look The Acolyte creator and Amandla made it political. But the discussion should be on the merits or the show


I still see it as a social discussion, but agree that it can move into the realm of politics.

Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1749 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:50 pm to
And you are one of the problem posters. You are always looking into a political slant. There isn’t an ultra left liberal hiding behind every door.

Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62775 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:51 pm to
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Also the mentality you are stating is take your ball and go home. Why not just eliminate the problem or the 7-8 people that make everything about politics. People that live like this must literally be so exhausted all the time.


That would be great, and is exactly the argument being made by the people opposed to the insertion of politics into every bit of our lives. It makes every movie/show worse. Unfortunately, Hollywood insists on doing it anyway.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26066 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:52 pm to
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The issue is that it devolves into ad hominem attacks and pissing matches.


So we should all agree to hop out and let the thread die.



No. It results in the whole thread going to shite. It can't just be ignored, it results in a back and forth shitshow and ruins the thread. Those types of posts do not allow for an actual discussion about the societal ideas behind it if people just scream "groomer" or "woke" and then run off. It's bait to intentionally ruin a thread.

You can discuss your feelings about race swapping Ariel without attacking posters or turning it into a discussion about Biden, Trump, etc.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38442 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:52 pm to
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How is that wrong?



It's wrong because the themes of the show are wrapped into Political and Social commentary. Many many entertainment pieces are. And they are relevant areas for discussion.

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Why not just eliminate the problem


Because - You can't REALLY eliminate the problem. The grey area here is massive, as I stated above. And entertainment will always cross with politics. The only thing you've done is reduce the amount of discourse that can happen and limited it down to what? Scenery? Editing?

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7-8 people that make everything about politics.


I wouldn't be for that either, but...

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People that live like this must literally be so exhausted all the time.



Just ignore them.
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