re: Justice League News

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If I wanted it, you'd be dead already."

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Why didn't he just go save his fricking mom?

Soldiers have a moral obligation to disobey unlawful orders. Once Cap knew SHIELD was under the control of HYDRA he had a moral obligation to disobey.

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The Winter Soldier is this elite killing machine, yet even with a firearm kills no one. He lets a short, pudgy girl who runs like a 50 year old with gout get away from him.

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Do you really want to hold up extras and their living or dying as necessary? No one ever said the MCU films strive for absolute reality.

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This super soldier who allegedly is a master at combat walks down the middle of the street eschewing any semblance of cover or concealment. He even does a reload standing in the middle of the street, again ignoring any tactical cover. An expert at firearms can't even shoot around a 3 foot round shield to even so much as reduce Cap's mobility. No, let's pump a few more rounds into the shield. Out of ammo? Let's reload right here in the open.

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You know how i know you don't know the character?

Bucky typically, in the comics, is both a hot head and arrogant. They've made this clear in the films. Getting angry enough to keep pumping rounds into a shield is par for the course, he knows he can get himself out of a jam.

A comic book jam. Any and every superhero can probably be taken out by some kind of sniper. Even Superman, so extreme tactical accuracy is not the point.

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We get it; you're a DC fanboy. Most of us just want a good comic movie no matter which company it comes from. Your DC hard on has messed with your ability to reason.

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This...so much this.

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And that sums up everything I have always laughed about the Marvel fanboys.

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This is why having these "discussions" bores me to fricking death. Because, like nearly all conversations at this point, it simply can not be had without at least one side being so hyperbolic as to not be worthy of talking to.

The fact that, up to this point, I think the MCU has gotten their movies right in large part and I think the DCEU has not in no way makes me a fan boy of Marvel. For frick's sake...I've had a Joker image from Arkham Asylum as my avatar for as long as I can remember. The only Marvel comic I ever owned, to this day, was a compendium given to me by my grandmother when I was 6. To this day, these are the only actual Marvel comics I've ever read in their entirety.



On the other hand, nothing got me out of bed faster on a Saturday morning in the late 70's/early 80's than Super Friends! and I was of the age where Batman TV show was still in reruns...so my first lone of these characters is far and away DC ones. I grew up with Super Friends and Donner's Superman. As a freshman in college I must have gone to see Keaton's Batman 10 times. That's when I started to get into reading a handful of comics...and they were all Batman or DC. Gotham by Gaslight, Dark Knight Returns, Killing Joke, Arkham Aslylum, Watchmen, etc.

So...when Marvel kicked off the MCU with Iron Man, I had little to no background on who he was. See above...Iron Man was not featured in that compendium. I mean, I could have picked him out of a lineup, but that was about it. I knew Hulk much better when it hit a couple of months later. But I wasn't in the bag for these movies just because they released them. Same goes for Spider-Man with Tobey. But as I began to really dig what they were creating with the MCU, my REAL excitement was that once Nolan was done with his version of Batman WB and DC were gonna come in and give me what I fricking wanted...which was Justice League! In the early 2000 I fell in love all over again with their animated versions, which is why I'll constantly tour my love for Bruce Timm. The idea that DC's heroes were going to be given the same live action treatment that Marvel's were getting had me so excited!! The Avengers and all the Marvel stuff was great fun...but MY group would be coming any minute...

Fast forward through the reality of what we've seen from them, and the fact that I can honestly say that these movies have been tremendous disappointments to me and explain in detail why...AS A LIFE LONG FAN OF THE PROPERTIES...and without question some a-hole will suggest the only reason I don't like them is because I'm in the bag for Marvel.

I kind of sort of feels like I'm being told I have to like them, and if I don't, it's because I'm a shill for "the other." Oddly, there does not seem to be any way a fan of DC could legitimately dislike them...which seems kind of odd.

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my REAL excitement was that once Nolan was done with his version of Batman WB and DC were gonna come in and give me what I fricking wanted...which was Justice League! In the early 2000 I fell in love all over again with their animated versions, which is why I'll constantly tour my love for Bruce Timm. The idea that DC's heroes were going to be given the same live action treatment that Marvel's were getting had me so excited!! The Avengers and all the Marvel stuff was great fun...but MY group would be coming any minute...

Fast forward through the reality of what we've seen from them, and the fact that I can honestly say that these movies have been tremendous disappointments to me and explain in detail why...AS A LIFE LONG FAN OF THE PROPERTIES...and without question some a-hole will suggest the only reason I don't like them is because I'm in the bag for Marvel.

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So much fricking this.

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1. At minimum can we all agree that Jesse Eisenberg was the worst casting choice of this generation's super hero movies?

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Yes...and this comes from someone who didn't hate the choice at first. I assumed they were gonna go ruthless tech genius...but I'm not sure WTF he was actually doing. As shitty at Batman's motivations were for offing Superman, Lex's made even less sense.

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2. Batman saving Martha is a pretty good discussion for this thread. That fight is, in my opinion, the best part of the movie. And it's because it looks real. It's actors fighting in a warehouse. Not cgi nonsense in front of a green screen. Nothing insane going on. Just Batman beating the shite out of people in a grounded scene.

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Yep! This is what I was trying to describe earlier. It's a good settling point between Nolan and Snyder's usual stuff. Batman, while being "just" a man really is depicted more like a super-powered solider like Cap. What we saw there fits with that. Brutal, strong, fast, close quarter combat, tech, etc. It's the best Batman has ever looked on screen...and if I hadn't been so fricking pissed at how awful things were to that point the smile on my face would have hurt that scene was so good.

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And the Martha scene just happened. God this movie fricking sucks.

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No amount of excuse making for this scene can ever make it not stupid. NO ONE calls their mom by their first name. Superman saying "They're gonna kill Martha!!!" makes no sense from a son's perspective. "They're gonna kill my mom!!!" Sure! That works. and as an orphan, it might even snap Bruce out of his crazy state...maybe. But since they had been telegraphing MARTHA for much of the movie, he has to use her first name...like no one does.

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How did Lex expect to control or to stop Doomsday once he killed Superman?

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Yep. Lex Luthor does not do something that reckless...frick. That's Joker bullshite.

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I forgot America tried to launch a nuke at doomsday.

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Well...Zack had to shoehorn in that panel from Dark Knight Returns after all...

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Then Superman flies off the beat up Batman so what if he said that line. What was his end game?

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His whole goal was to get Bruce to help him save his mother. He told Lois as much before he flew off to Gotham.

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How did Lex expect to control or to stop Doomsday once he killed Superman?


Yep. Lex Luthor does not do something that reckless...frick. That's Joker bullshite.

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And how did he know how to make him in the first place?

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Could it be that he had no idea where his mother was? I mean...he did ask Lex Luthor and even he didn't know.

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As it was already pointed out by someone, he can sense his idiot girlfriend is about to get killed half way around the world and is there in seconds to save her, but he somehow can't hear his mom screaming and can't find her?