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re: Just Watched "The Last Days in Vietnam"
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:54 pm to JumpingTheShark
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:54 pm to JumpingTheShark
Uncle was a Green Beret "Advisor" in, I think, Laos or Cambodia in the early days. He never talked about it but the multiple packs of cigarettes a day and drinking that helped to take his life at a young age, non-existent before, spoke volumes.
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:56 pm to thermal9221
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Tet was a tactical win for us but a huge moral victory for the NVA and VC
The only moral loss from it was the fricking hippies got even more pussified. Which in turn left the "leadership" trying to find their nuts. Neither of which, were the ones doing the fighting.
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Funny how this exact thing played out again in Iraq.
Nothing in Iraq came even close to the scale that the Vietnam War was. Al Qaeda never launched an attack of any meaning against us. We just allowed the media to manipulate our people.
We haven't had the stomach for total war since WWII.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:59 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Gaww you mad.
Lay off the Fox News for a few days.
Lay off the Fox News for a few days.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:04 am to USMCTiger03
quote:Funny you would say that, I had a math tutor in high school, he was ex Green Beret, he did 3 tours, never once stepped foot in Vietnam, said he spent the entire time in Laos.
Uncle was a Green Beret "Advisor" in, I think, Laos or Cambodia in the early days. He never talked about it but the multiple packs of cigarettes a day and drinking that helped to take his life at a young age, non-existent before, spoke volumes.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:20 am to ninthward
A mere footnote nowadays, but to so many incredible people, a life altering set of circumstances.
He (my uncle) was a titan before then.
He (my uncle) was a titan before then.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:22 am to TigerFanInSouthland
We're 10 & 1!
It was truly chicken shite the way we exited, the crisis of Watergate completely deflated the entire office of the POTUS. The GOP, Ford and what was left of the Administration were not nearly up to the task of stemming the tide to stand behind our commitments to the SV government & people.
Anything related to the fall of South Vietnam is tough (as an American) to watch.
You know it's going to badly end.
It was truly chicken shite the way we exited, the crisis of Watergate completely deflated the entire office of the POTUS. The GOP, Ford and what was left of the Administration were not nearly up to the task of stemming the tide to stand behind our commitments to the SV government & people.
Anything related to the fall of South Vietnam is tough (as an American) to watch.
You know it's going to badly end.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 12:25 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:38 am to soccerfüt
Liberal media fricked the country over. Hhhhmmmm sounds about right!!!
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:53 am to DONHOGG
quote:If you're making that leap of logic (?) from what I posted, I don't completely agree. Certainly the media had much to do with how the war played on the home front and became a political liability but from a realpolitik standpoint inside the Beltway, there simply wasn't any real desire or impetus to back up our commitments to the Republic of Vietnam.
Liberal media fricked the country over. Hhhhmmmm sounds about right!!!
Not in materiel and certainly not in returning to fight there with US troops.
It wasn't politically expedient partially because the media had made it so toxic but we (the US) simply lied to the people of South Vietnam.
We told them one thing and did another.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:04 am to TigerFanInSouthland
American pull out game beaucoup skrong, U.S. numbah one dinky dau, boom boom us longtime...
Signed, The South Vietnamese
Signed, The South Vietnamese
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 3:05 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:19 am to HogBalls
If we're saying the media 'beat' our generals and civilian leaders, we have some really big problems.
If talking about leadership failures, a good read is the this: A Failure in Generalship
Also, DOPMA is one of the dumbest things ever done to the military.
If talking about leadership failures, a good read is the this: A Failure in Generalship
Also, DOPMA is one of the dumbest things ever done to the military.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:33 am to rmnldr
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Don't ever let someone tell you that the US lost the war in Vietnam. We voluntarily fricked over a lot of people because of shitty leaders
If you think history doesn't repeat itself, read up on how we abandoned the Kurds to Saddam the first time around. They backed us 100% and we fricked them over and let Hussein gas them. That should never been allowed to happen.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:18 am to jbgleason
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Don't ever let someone tell you that the US lost the war in Vietnam. We voluntarily fricked over a lot of people because of shitty leaders
This is a subject that makes my blood boil, the notion we "lost" the Vietnam War.
For anyone wanting to know the truth of not only how we won the war, it was actually one of the most lopsided victories in history, but also one of the biggest lies in history, I highly recommend a book titled "Unheralded Victory: The Defeat of the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese Army, 1961-1973" by Mark Woodruff. You'll come away from the book both amazed at how badly we beat the North Vietnamese and outraged at the scope of the lie from the media we've been spoonfed on this war.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:40 am to jbgleason
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If you think history doesn't repeat itself, read up on how we abandoned the Kurds to Saddam the first time around. They backed us 100% and we fricked them over and let Hussein gas them. That should never been allowed to happen.
Oh don't even fricking get me started. Schwarzkopf and the US leaders completely sold out Iraq's populace after Desert Storm by agreeing to the terms they agreed to. They should've immediately gone back in after the failed coup and wiped Saddam off the face of the Earth.
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Darth_Vader
Nothing pisses me off quicker than someone saying the United States lost the Vietnam War. It's possibly the only war where a nation's populace felt so bad about winning that they stopped fighting. The casualties that the US inflicted onto the NVA, Vietcong, and the Chinese volunteers was staggering. They lost two generations of men basically.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 3:42 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:55 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Tet was like "The Battle of the Bulge". We thought the Germans were defeated and couldn't come close to mounting an offensive. We thought the Germans would be defeated by Christmas. We were shocked by the extent of the offensive. Just like Tet for the NVA the Germans blew there wad. The media was just the opposite, the Germans were considered beaten, where as the media said we couldn't win the Vietnam war. Complete opposites for an action that was just 24 years removed.
The NVA leader General Giap was sure the Viet Cong and the NVA were defeated. They built up supplies, men and material for years prior to Tet. Tet was supposed to be a great victory for the North Vietnamese. Instead they played right into our hands. They came out in the open where we could kill them, instead of hiding and using guerrilla tactics. General Giap was amazed that in the US they were calling Tet a defeat.
The NVA leader General Giap was sure the Viet Cong and the NVA were defeated. They built up supplies, men and material for years prior to Tet. Tet was supposed to be a great victory for the North Vietnamese. Instead they played right into our hands. They came out in the open where we could kill them, instead of hiding and using guerrilla tactics. General Giap was amazed that in the US they were calling Tet a defeat.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:01 am to TigerFanInSouthland
There were some true heroes on the ground in those final days. They went above and beyond for as many as they could despite the government abandoning them.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:11 am to ninthward
I was a hair too young to get involved. I remember the nightly body count on the news. Things like 200 commies dead vs 10 US and allies. Seems we were trying to win a war of attrition and hoping they would give up. Seems like I remember arguing about who was going to sit at the peace table and even the shape of the table and the pre-negotiations and the negotiations went on for about 2 years.
I came away with this: 1) If you're not willing to do what it takes to win a war then don't get in it. 2) If you can't fight it with volunteers then don't get in it. 3) If Congress doesn't have the guts to declare a war then don't fight one. 4) The use of our technological advantages and a "disproportionate response" is not unfair if it prevents the loss of American life.
I came away with this: 1) If you're not willing to do what it takes to win a war then don't get in it. 2) If you can't fight it with volunteers then don't get in it. 3) If Congress doesn't have the guts to declare a war then don't fight one. 4) The use of our technological advantages and a "disproportionate response" is not unfair if it prevents the loss of American life.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:27 am to mauser
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I was a hair too young to get involved. I remember the nightly body count on the news. Things like 200 commies dead vs 10 US and allies. Seems we were trying to win a war of attrition and hoping they would give up.
Same for me. I remember the nightly Vietnam body count. I was shocked when the news told us we had lost.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:36 am to mauser
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1) If you're not willing to do what it takes to win a war then don't get in it
fricking this. Just like Iraq. We were absolutely destroying both of them and the media didn't like how good we were at it.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:38 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Short YouTube video explains how the war ended
Very disappointing to hear how we didn't hold up our end of the deal because of politicians.
Very disappointing to hear how we didn't hold up our end of the deal because of politicians.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:58 am to Emteein
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Very disappointing to hear how we didn't hold up our end of the deal because of politicians.
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didn't hold up our end of the deal because of politicians.
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because of politicians.
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politicians
They're the fricking worst, most sorry cheating and lying asses on the earth.
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