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Just a finished a GOT re-watch... some thoughts (spoilers)

Posted on 3/16/19 at 11:58 pm
Posted by NeverRains
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Posted on 3/16/19 at 11:58 pm
First off, I highly recommend doing a rewatch of the series before this final season comes out. Not only is it good to remind yourself of some important facts, GoT is surprisingly great for watch all over again. You view all the characters from a different context, and the show really seems to make more sense when you can tell from the beginning where everything is headed. Here are some things that I realized the second time around.



1.) The first 4 seasons are just perfect. Each scene and conversation is so interesting and informative, and you just don't realize it the first time around. During season 5, things definitely slow down a bit as the story begins to converge.

2.) Daenerys wasn't as infuriating the second time through. I hated her originally because I thought she came across as greedy, entitled, and unworthy of the throne. When you realize that her role is more a matter of destiny than anything, her actions and attitudes start to make a little more sense.

3.) Season 7 really suffers from being shorter than every other season. The battles were done well, but the Winterfell storyline was awful. The Sansa and Arya feud wasn't believable, and the Littlefinger's death was a terrible scene. I think it's definitely possible that we're not done with his character yet.

4.) It's still difficult to tell where Bran's character is going. His storyline has been all over the place. He was crippled, turns into a warg, becomes this 3-eyed raven thing when he's not ready, can supposedly transcend time, and makes several mistakes that result in the deaths of several characters. All for... nothing it seems. Im still not sure why it was so important that he become this 3-eyed raven.

5.) Tommen is more infuriating than Joffrey (or at least close to it). He's just such a loser, it's actually kind of funny to watch. The actor who played him did a good job of portraying him as spineless. The casting in the show is nothing short of perfect. I couldn't imagine each character in any other way.

6.) I always believed Cersei cared more about her power than her children. In the beginning she's introduced as a cynical, over-indulgent mother who's suspicious of everyone who may be a threat to her children. But that doesn't explain why she was so cold to Sansa and so wicked to Margeary. Sansa was pretty fragile and harmless in seasons 2 & 3, but not a threat to Joffrey. And even though Margaery was cunning and manipulative, both Joffrey and Tommen seemed happy with her. To me, it just seems obvious that she is not willing let go of the power that being Queen offered her.
Posted by 19
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 12:04 am to
The Littlefinger death was the worst written part of the whole show, all seasons.
No way he hangs around WF, knowing he's fricked, and just prays for rain.

Makes no sense and TOTALLY goes against everything we know about him.

Shitty writing. A waste of a great ending for him.
Posted by PeteRose
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 1:02 am to
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I always believed Cersei cared more about her power than her children


Why do people always mentioned “Cersei loves her children” like she needs to be given an award? If you’re the mother, by default you should love your kids. No one ever mention how Catelyn loves her kids.

I think the “Cersei loves her children” comment as a way to excuse the shitty things she’s done in her lifetime. “Yeah, she pushed for lady to be put down but Cersei loves her children”.
Posted by John McClane
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 1:17 am to
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5.) Tommen is more infuriating than Joffrey (or at least close to it). He's just such a loser, it's actually kind of funny to watch. The actor who played him did a good job of portraying him as spineless. The casting in the show is nothing short of perfect. I couldn't imagine each character in any other way.


Tommen was a kid. And a good one at that. I think that was the point: good people are caught up in this power struggle and get eaten alive by the greed and power hungriness of others. Sadly he was collateral damage of his mother’s ambitions.
Posted by PeteRose
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 1:24 am to
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3.) Season 7 really suffers from being shorter than every other season.


The writing made the characters look so stupid. Dany and Tyrion don’t believe about the white walkers when Jon spoke about them. “Dany needs proof” people say. After All the things she went through...dragons, warlocks, manticore scorpion, house of undying, crazy visions...you would assume she would be a little more open minded. And remember Tyrion defending Commander Mormont in S2 when he sent that wight’s arm to kings landing? “Mormont doesn’t lie” was what he told Cersei . I guess all that drinking made him forgot about it.

Posted by PeteRose
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 1:33 am to
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Tommen was a kid. And a good one at that. I think that was the point: good people are caught up in this power struggle and get eaten alive by the greed and power hungriness of others. Sadly he was collateral damage of his mother’s ambitions.


Agree with this 100%. He’s what 12 or 13? Who was enough life experience at that age to know that he’s manipulated? It’s like telling a kid that age to take calculus and that he’s a “loser” for failing. Had Tommen been raised in a good environment, he would’ve been a good decent man once he’s gotten older.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 8:20 am to
Daenerys‘ storyline in Essos is such a beating for the majority of he series. A solid 50% of the scenes are there purely to remind the viewer that she exists.
Posted by Ham Solo
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 8:53 am to
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Littlefinger's death was a terrible scene. I think it's definitely possible that we're not done with his character yet


Yeah, I think you're right. That LF theory that got posted the other day is probably correct.

The giveaway is him handing the coin to that random girl. There is no reason for that scene at all if he is really dead.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 8:53 am to
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. A solid 50% of the scenes are there purely to remind the viewer that she exists.

and that she hates slavery

and that if she's ever in trouble, Deux Ex Drogon will appear
Posted by Ash Williams
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:18 am to
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Why do people always mentioned “Cersei loves her children” like she needs to be given an award? If you’re the mother, by default you should love your kids. No one ever mention how Catelyn loves her kids.

I think the “Cersei loves her children” comment as a way to excuse the shitty things she’s done in her lifetime. “Yeah, she pushed for lady to be put down but Cersei loves her children”


I think it’s because there are several times that she says that everything she does, she does for her children.

The poster above is just pointing out that it becomes clear that that’s bullshite and it’s just her way of rationalizing being an evil bitch.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:26 am to
here’s a question that has always bugged me

oberyn (awesome character) comes to kings landing intending to avenge his sister and her children and take Lannister lives. great set up and surely justified.

except...he waited 18 years to do it?
Tywin was there the whole time
Clegane was there the whole time
he didn’t need the threat of myrcella being in dorne to come and wreck shite

was he afraid of Robert?
Posted by Cow Drogo
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:26 am to
The coin giving scene is just to show him getting information from an informant and gave Arya spying on him and being suspicious of him. That way she can follow him and find the message in his mattress.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:30 am to
another one

Stannis scales the wall at kings landing first and is up on top swinging his sword around.
then Tyrion leads the end around and ties up the Baratheon army outside the gates, where the cavalry comes and kills everyone else

so how did Stannis get back out and back home?
Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:33 am to
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another one

Stannis scales the wall at kings landing first and is up on top swinging his sword around.
then Tyrion leads the end around and ties up the Baratheon army outside the gates, where the cavalry comes and kills everyone else

so how did Stannis get back out and back home?





The show is plastered with plot holes and plot armor from season 1 episode 1 on. It’s one of the reasons I make fun of people who cry about season 7
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:33 am to
the red titty witch tells Davos that had she been allowed to attend the siege at Blackwater she would have been able to save the day, and its Davos’ fault the effort failed

what exactly would she have been able to do?
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:38 am to
last one, red witch related
after the debacle she leaves to go fetch gendry in the riverlands

how did she know he was there?
and how did she know where to find him?
and whether he was even still alive?
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:08 am to
Oberyn was no fool. He knew that if he came to Kings Landing for no apparent reason that the Lannisters wold know why he was there. He waited until he had an official invite.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:16 am to
he didn’t have an invite
they invited his brother and he came instead
and he straight up told tywin and tyrion why he was there
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:36 am to
I agree with that. Every time I’m mesmerized by a scene and then there is a quick edit to the Dany storyline my interest drops in half. My second viewing ( about to start season four ) hasn’t changed that. Even secondary characters in the North are more compelling to me than the Dany storyline. I do really enjoy Jorah.
Posted by YankeeHandle
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:46 am to
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But that doesn't explain why she was so cold to Sansa and so wicked to Margear


She is cold to Sansa and Maergery because they are possibly the younger more beautiful queens that were prophesied to replace her. Alot of her actions are a result of her trying to avoid the outcome of that prophecy.
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