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Jerry Maguire: What kind of career did Frank Cushman have?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 8:42 pm
Did Cush play too early and burn out? Or did he develop into a good QB? or a HOFer?
He comes across as a Ryan Leaf or David Carr. And with his dad demanding that he start as a rookie. I'm sure he was pulling grass out of his facemark.
ETA: such a good movie. That chemistry between Cruise and Cuba was
He comes across as a Ryan Leaf or David Carr. And with his dad demanding that he start as a rookie. I'm sure he was pulling grass out of his facemark.
ETA: such a good movie. That chemistry between Cruise and Cuba was
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 9:14 pm
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Posted on 9/1/22 at 8:45 pm to TomBuchanan
Even though I think Drew Bledsoe was the closest inspiration for Cushman at the time of filming, it’s uncanny how closely his personality resembles Leaf (who wasn’t even drafted until a year and a half after the movie was released).
Edit: Maybe Leaf saw Jerry Maguire in 1996 and was too dense to understand that Cushman’s personality and behavior were supposed to be negative traits?
So perhaps the movie influenced Leaf?
Edit: Maybe Leaf saw Jerry Maguire in 1996 and was too dense to understand that Cushman’s personality and behavior were supposed to be negative traits?
So perhaps the movie influenced Leaf?
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 8:50 pm to TomBuchanan
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Ryan Leaf
Did he even have any talent that was squandered?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 8:53 pm to SEClint
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Did he even have any talent that was squandered?
Allegedly, NFL scouts thought he had some talent. Don’t exactly know for sure what they saw. All I have ever seen explicitly stated was his arm strength.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 8:54 pm to TomBuchanan
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a Ryan Leaf or David Carr.
2 very different guys
Carr would've had a good career at many other teams besides the Texans. Posted on 9/1/22 at 9:00 pm to PowerTool
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2 very different guys Carr would've had a good career at many other teams besides the Texans.
would've could've. We'll never know. I'm not saying they had the same career but Carr is frequently in that top 5 worst busts ever discussion and so is Leaf
Posted on 9/1/22 at 9:01 pm to PowerTool
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2 very different guys Carr would've had a good career at many other teams besides the Texans.
Yeah, all things considered, David Carr did about as well as QBs tend to do who are drafted first overall by an expansion team. (E.g. see Tim Couch and the expansion Browns in 1999. Not great, but not anywhere near as bad as Leaf.)
We’re probably see in Derek a hint of the potential that was wasted with David.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 9:05 pm to TomBuchanan
He got Cush-lashed after his Dad found out his son had to play with "black fellas".
He just wanted to surf or ski.
He just wanted to surf or ski.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 9:05 pm to TomBuchanan
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top 5 worst busts ever discussion and so is Leaf
Refresh my memory about Carr’s career outlook in 2002? I thought he was just considered the best overall QB in a draft with an expansion team with the #1 overall pick who would be stupid not to take a QB at the time?
I didn’t think he was considered a potential generational talent?
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 9:06 pm to TomBuchanan
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He comes across as a Ryan Leaf or David Carr
Carr just got beat to shite as a rookie and got shellshocked. Leaf was a dick and didn't take to teammates or coaching. Cush didn't seem like either of those but he didn't seem like could command a locker room.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 9:06 pm to TomBuchanan
I always thought David Carr was a pretty decent quarterback put in an impossible situation. I believe his OL gave up a record number of sacks ? Some of which were his fault I know, but not most.
A better qb than his brother, for sure.
A better qb than his brother, for sure.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 9:21 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Positives: Excellent size. Good all-around athlete. Top competitor. Legitimate tough guy. Has tremendous poise. Really stands in against the rush. Well respected by his teammates and coaches. Mature and confident without being cocky. Has improved by leaps and bounds and became a franchise-type player on the college level in '01. Even in Fresno State's three losses, he put up big numbers and got his team into the endzone. Excellent passer with a very strong and generally very accurate arm. Has good timing and anticipation of receiver. Makes some incredible throws and can really thread the needle. Can throw every pass in the book and really zing the deep out. Sets up well and has a lightning-quick release. Generally throws a nice, tight spiral. Can throw the touch passes. Reads coverages and shows good judgment. During the '01 regular season had a 42-7 touchdown-to-interception ratio. Played very well against teams from major conferences and in the biggest and best games on his team's schedule. Made his teammates better players and got the ball into the endzone. Had a strong practice week at the Senior Bowl.
Negatives: Semi-sidearm, unusual, three-quarter throwing motion. Has a very low release point, about shoulder level. Will get balls batted down, which could be huge problem, since so many teams use so many three- and five-step drops. Is basically a line-drive passer and might be better off if he put more air under some of his throws. Is not quite as mobile as you would like and is not a super athlete and improviser. Average scambler and is no Donovan McNabb as a runner. Can be inconsistent throwing the ball. Will force some and make some bad reads. Was brought along beautifully by the Fresno State staff and has not faced a lot of adversity, so you cannot be sure how well he can handle it. Did bounce back from the Ohio State disaster in 2000. In Fresno State's two regular-season losses in '01, he was in a position to lead John Elway-type comebacks but did not do it.
Summary: Has a chance to become a premier NFL quarterback if his release point does not lead to too many problems and he is brought along and utilized correctly. Could be the type of player you can build a team around if he is developed correctly.
Thats from ESPN draft tracker in 2003. They use the name John Elway which is severe hyperbole. I know its related to the type of comeback
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 9:32 pm to TomBuchanan
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They use the name John Elway which is severe hyperbole.
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In Fresno State's two regular-season losses in '01, he was in a position to lead John Elway-type comebacks but did not do it.
Well, what they say is “he could’ve been a John Elway-type QB, but he wasn’t.”
Posted on 9/1/22 at 9:42 pm to 9rocket
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I believe his OL gave up a record number of sacks ?
Not sure if it was a record, but he was sacked 249 times in 5 seasons w/ the Texans. Brutal.
Worth nothing he had another 6 years in the league as a backup after the Texans released him.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:13 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Elway didn’t lead too many Elway style comebacks in college either.
He could have had at least one but Cal pulled off The Play and came away with the victory.
He could have had at least one but Cal pulled off The Play and came away with the victory.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:23 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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They use the name John Elway which is severe hyperbole.
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In Fresno State's two regular-season losses in '01, he was in a position to lead John Elway-type comebacks but did not do it.
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Well, what they say is “he could’ve been a John Elway-type QB, but he wasn’t.”
You're an arse clown, cropping out the sentence that clarifies what I was referring to.
I know its related to the type of comeback
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:27 pm to TomBuchanan
Way to from 0 to 60 with the name calling. What part of what I “cropped out” was especially necessary in order to understand your point?
Edit: I thought we were trying to ascertain Carr’s career outlook in 2002 in order to gauge whether he can honestly be considered “top 5 bust.”
You say that you know it’s “only in terms of ‘comebacks’”, but even in terms of trying to associate him with Elway at all based on the ESPN summary of his scouting report it is worth pointing out that the report is specifically saying that he was not John Elway.
Edit: I thought we were trying to ascertain Carr’s career outlook in 2002 in order to gauge whether he can honestly be considered “top 5 bust.”
You say that you know it’s “only in terms of ‘comebacks’”, but even in terms of trying to associate him with Elway at all based on the ESPN summary of his scouting report it is worth pointing out that the report is specifically saying that he was not John Elway.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:29 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Way to from 0 to 60 with the name calling. What part of what I “cropped out” was especially necessary in order to understand your point?
Because you are misframing the context provided. It's disingenuous and a clown action.
to even suggest that Carr has anything resembling the talent of Elway is laughable. John Elway is a top 5 QB prospect ever.
ETA: No time for it, moving on.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 9/2/22 at 2:05 pm to TomBuchanan
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Average scambler and is no Donovan McNabb as a runner
My how the game has changed
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