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re: James Cameron ruined Alien
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
following that logic, you could say the same about Alien -> Aliens. Ripley's struggle against the alien so she could make it home was pretty much undone by Aliens, which cast her way into the future with no family or home to return to, and now up against not just one but hundreds of the same creature.
but i do understand why the nihilism of Alien 3 was just a bridge too far with many fans.
but i do understand why the nihilism of Alien 3 was just a bridge too far with many fans.
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Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:25 pm to diddlydawg7
You do realize that in Alien they were basically Space Truckers and in Aliens they were kick arse Space Marines with monstrous guns, right? And even in Aliens they got mauled. This take is retard S-tier.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:21 pm to Sam Quint
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following that logic, you could say the same about Alien -> Aliens. Ripley's struggle against the alien so she could make it home was pretty much undone by Aliens, which cast her way into the future with no family or home to return to, and now up against not just one but hundreds of the same creature.
Not remotely the same scenario, she fought the Alien to survive and is in fact alive through out Aliens. The information she provides about what happens to the Nostromo leads Burke to send the colonists to investigate which dooms them, since apparently they were also not armed (seems unwise even without knowledge of the Xenomorph to be in armed but I digress).
The climax of Aliens, she goes back to rescue Newt after she falls down that wheel or whatever and for what, she dies at the beginning of the next movie? I have no problem with dark or nihilistic it is Fincher after all (the end of Seven) but killing Newt was unnecessary, she didn’t need to be in the movie but that was a close to a Luke tossing the light saber level f’you
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Because it makes the end of Aliens completely pointless.
But you could say that for any ending of a movie that eventually has a sequel though. They’re two separate movies with two separate plots. it doesn’t ruin the end of Aliens unless you’re purely relying on it to lead into another sequel. so outside of something like Back to the Future 2, you could say that about just about anything.
Also, I just finished watching 3 for the first time in a while, and it’s just as good if not better than I remember. The only real drawback to it is that there are a few times where the CGI just looks cartoonish and bad. But outside of that, it’s excellent. And I stand by my testament that it’s arguably the second best of the franchise. And again, that’s not so much a knock on 2 as it is a result of how much I like 3.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:27 pm to diddlydawg7
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So when I watched Aliens I was like “Oh man I wonder how they’re gonna kill a bunch of these things. You can’t shoot all of them into space”
He told the crew it's impossible to kill them b/c of how little they had on the ship to defend themselves.
They were just a space tug boat crew. They had no guns. The only protection Tom Skerritt had when he was trying to find it in the vents was a small portable welding torch.
This post was edited on 8/26/24 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:49 pm to CocomoLSU
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But you could say that for any ending of a movie that eventually has a sequel though. They’re two separate movies with two separate plots.
I couldn’t disagree more. Alien3 takes place immediately after the events of Aliens she goes back to rescue Newt, after multiple battles with the queen Alien (that gets killed in the same manner as the first one. They go into hibernation and she winds up dead shortly there after, like what was the point of rescuing her
They could have just had Ripley crash and left the fate of the others vague it’s just gratuitous for the sake of it, that’s not just having a different plot. You already acknowledged you are in an extreme minority I was just explaining why I think everyone hates the beginning
Posted on 8/26/24 at 5:54 pm to diddlydawg7
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Alien, one of the climaxes of the movie is when they realize Bilbo is an Android and after they destroy him, they ask him if there’s any way to kill the Alien and he’s like “It’s impossible” and “it’s the perfect organism”.
Of course, he could’ve been lying, but it set up for a creative way to get rid of an “invincible” enemy by shooting it off into space.
So when I watched Aliens I was like “Oh man I wonder how they’re gonna kill a bunch of these things. You can’t shoot all of them into space”
Imagine my disappointment when it turns out any retard with a machine gun or fire can actually kill them pretty easily.
Did you completely miss the plot point where it was scared of fire?
If it was invincible, fire would not harm it, and it wouldn't have been scared of it.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 6:38 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Not remotely the same scenario
It is, actually for the exact reason Cokomo said. You just don't want it to be bc you like one movie and don't like the other.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 7:15 pm to Sam Quint
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It is, actually for the exact reason Cokomo said. You just don't want it to be bc you like one movie and don't like the other.
Or maybe you and Coco are saying it’s the exact same because you want to defend a movie you like, and most do not we could do that all day. The scenarios are not remotely the same. If they found Ripley dead at the beginning of Aliens, that would be the same. The question from Coco was why people hate the beginning of Alien 3. I said why I think they do, you can disagree but it doesn’t change the fact that most people hate that Hicks and Newt were dead and don’t like that movie like you guys do.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 9:31 pm to H-Town Tiger
The uncut scene from Alien showed the missing members such as Dallas in the cocoon stage. So this Alien was a queen
The second movie they were all army ants / drones. So not as smart etc.
The second movie they were all army ants / drones. So not as smart etc.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 9:31 am to Frac the world
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I swear, majority of your movie takes are just being contrarian to try to be different or something.
Incorrect. I will say I’m way more likely to start a thread if I don’t think a movie lives up to the hype than I am if I think it does.
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Do you have any idea how many future films and video games it inspired because it was entirely unique at the time it was released?
That’s fine. Still doesn’t make it any better. And for the record I never said it was bad. It’s ok.
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Aliens is universally praised as one of the best sequels ever made, up there with ESB and The Two Towers
Except those are both extremely good movies
Posted on 8/27/24 at 11:39 am to diddlydawg7
Your thread title killed any hope of decent debate in this thread
Now head off to 5th hour
Now head off to 5th hour
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:37 pm to diddlydawg7
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“It’s impossible” and “it’s the perfect organism”.
A, it's a movie, but B, could it be possible that bilbo wasn't referring to the singular alien, but the entire organism/species? Meaning, they couldn't kill it, because it adapts so well and repopulates alarmingly fast.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:49 pm to CocomoLSU
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will say that Aliens is vastly inferior to Alien.
In your opinion.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:02 pm to td01241
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The black goo and Ridley Scott trying to philosophize as if he is a great intellectual ruined the Alien franchise. The new movie was good until the second it popped up then it all went to shite. There’s a reason none of it was in the marketing.
Studio interference really muddled what should have been a full new alien trilogy with the Engineers and background leading up to the original plot.
Prometheus the directors cut is one of the better alien movies. I wish they would’ve allowed Scott to truly map out his vision there, and Romulus opens the door for that still happening
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:18 pm to Shiftyplus1
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In your opinion.
Well, yeah, of course. Isn’t that implied when a post comes from me? I even said “I will say” which is me almost literally explaining that it’s my opinion.
What an odd comment.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:43 pm to magildachunks
Or how about in Alien Resurrection where it shows them harmed by cold? Perfect organism and can't be killed are clearly calculated responses.
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