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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:24 pm to ChargerDog91
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:24 pm to ChargerDog91
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This is on point. I mean they basically just blew their load with a great villain in one movie and he basically can't be used anymore.
After two movies in the DCEU millions were killed when downtown Metropolis was destroyed, Zod and Faora are dead, Jimmy Olsen is also dead after being shot in the face, Luthor is disgraced and in jail, Doomsday is dead, and Superman himself is dead.
Blew their load is an understatement.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 2:25 pm
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:39 pm to Dr RC
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Luthor is disgraced and in jail
People keep harping on Luthor being in jail. The character spent most of his first 45 years of existence in jail. He spent almost all of All-Star Superman in jail. Super-villains go to jail. It's not like this is something new.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:42 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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The character spent most of his first 45 years of existence in jail.
Luthor's character was pretty much totally revamped in the 80s to the man we know today, and has been a scientific genius businessman since then.
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He spent almost all of All-Star Superman in jail.
Yeah, but that's the very end of the mythos though. He hadn't been in jail before then (at least in that timeline), and Superman (or Clark actually) finally got him behind bars for crimes against humanity.
Plus him being President is much more interesting than him sitting in jail.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:09 pm to Sgt_Lincoln_Osiris
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Jolly rancher scene w
Can someone smarter than me explain what this was all about? Was it just to demonstrate that he weirded out/intimidated people so much that he could do something like that?
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:41 pm to Dr RC
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Jimmy Olsen is also dead after being shot in the face
Somehow I missed this?
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:46 pm to lagallifrey
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Somehow I missed this?
He is the guy who gets capped at the start of the movie when Lois is at the terrorist camp.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:06 pm to Dr RC
WB just wanted to jump the front of the line, there was no patience. In Snyder's universe there is no need for Luthor because he's just trotting big bad after big bad out.
also....I hated Snyder's plead before the movie started to not spoil it. As if Superman dying was going to be this earth shattering moment that shouldn't be spoiled. Hey dipshit, no one believed for half a second you were legitimately going to kill off that central of a character in the movie you were using to launch the whole EU. That was also such a waste, but again Snyder is just firing every bullet in the chamber until he has control taken from him.
also....I hated Snyder's plead before the movie started to not spoil it. As if Superman dying was going to be this earth shattering moment that shouldn't be spoiled. Hey dipshit, no one believed for half a second you were legitimately going to kill off that central of a character in the movie you were using to launch the whole EU. That was also such a waste, but again Snyder is just firing every bullet in the chamber until he has control taken from him.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:14 pm to Dr RC
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He is the guy who gets capped at the start of the movie when Lois is at the terrorist camp.
Thanks, didn't remember that, but why in the world would they do that?
I got that mixed up with the weird fantasy batman sequence. I still have no idea what that was about.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 6:31 pm to OMLandshark
Eisenberg does not "get" Luthor. He has a rollicking good time as a paintless Joker (or is that pointless?) - but the simmering hatred, or if you prefer, icy menace of the comic book Luthor just isn't there. I would equate the real Luthor with a much younger George Soros type - a venomous spider at the heart of his web, pulling strings, arranging things to his total advantage, waiting for the exact right moment to strike! Eisenberg is just not that Luthor.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 1/11/17 at 7:41 pm to OMLandshark
I just want an explanation for the jolly rancher scene
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:00 pm to OMLandshark
Comic movie reflection real world values is the reason why DC failed so hard. There's hinting at it with allegory like MCU but then there's the going to dark like DCU.
We see who's making more money.
We see who's making more money.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:23 pm to Ed Osteen
No matter how bad the rest of the movie is, the jolly rancher scene just makes it unwatchable. I go back and forth on if I dislike Eisenberg or Leto performance more. Probably Leto cause Joker when done well ( Ledger) is comics on film at their best.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:57 pm to OMLandshark
frick eisenberg.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:06 pm to SEClint
Really I think the closest actual look to Luthor would be Billy Zane. He should have been cast as Lex at least in Superman Returns.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:13 pm to OMLandshark
I would have been ok with Michael Rosenbaum coming back to reprise and portray a darker and more mature version of Lex.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:49 pm to SEClint
They definitely should have cast an older, well-entrenched in power Lex (Hell, Superman & Batman are old), but if they HAD to go for a younger Lex I would have much rather seen this:
Over this:
Over this:
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:50 pm to SEClint
quote:Yeah, the guy from Smallville was much better. At least he was identifiable as the character.
I would have been ok with Michael Rosenbaum coming back to reprise and portray a darker and more mature version of Lex.
I haven't read much of the newer (like, past 30 years!) stuff, but I've gotten some in. It looks like this Lex is really Alexander Luthor, from the Infinite Crisis storyline, although rather loosely adapted. Maybe that's the case, and the real Lex is still out there somewhere potentially.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:01 am to Duzz
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Comic movie reflection real world values is the reason why DC failed so hard.
Batman Begins, TDK, TDKR in a real world take is exactly why they made so much money.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:06 am to Tom288
quote:Hell, Rosenbaum is 44 now lol. I think he would have had an idea of the character and would have wanted to do justice to it. He was great on smallville for what it was..a cw network show.
but if they HAD to go for a younger Lex I would have much rather seen this:
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