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re: House of the Dragon S1E5: “We Light The Way”--Official Thread;
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:33 am to TideWarrior
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:33 am to TideWarrior
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The situation with Daemon at least in my eyes is one we have yet to see his wife and by his earlier mention we have to assume what she is like. But meeting her last night created a whole different image of her last night and would not have been the same if we never had met her. Now if they would have introduced her earlier in the show and then it could have been implied he killed her and had the same value. But we had not met her yet.
In regards to the overall idea as sex may sell to many and Hollywood tries to capitalize on it I understand some may enjoy but when all you need to do is imply what happened and will do the same thing it does noting for me to add it in. Again them walking together on the beach told me all I needed to know.
If Criston Cole would have just pounded ol boys face in and Laenor crying while getting married have made as much sense if they just implied that he was gay and left it at that? Just like you thought meeting Daemons wife was important to the implied death, meeting Laenors lover made a bigger impact on what took place later in the show. Simply implying he was gay would have made the entire ending of the episode stupid. I get you not wanting to see it, hell I didnt want to see it, but it made sense to show it other than just him mentioning it on the beach.
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Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:50 am to iwyLSUiwy
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He's already mixed and very light skinned. His kids would be even more light skinned. Shouldn't be hard to pull off. Now if he looked like his daddy, then that's a different story
The skin color isn't even the biggest tell about paternity, the lack of blond hair is.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:54 am to LuckySo-n-So
Even the episodes without much action have been pretty great. Also like how there isn't so much going on like GOT. There were so many characters sometimes i couldn't tell who was who in the beginning. They all have long hair it's just not a problem with this series getting to know everyone early.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 10:55 am
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:04 am to Saint Alfonzo
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The skin color isn't even the biggest tell about paternity, the lack of blond hair is.
It's pretty easy to write her having a kid with blonde/silver hair. That's not going to be an issue.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:05 am to LuckySo-n-So
not reading this thread but saw people are butthurt that the gay dude got killed
something "bury your gays" bullshite
nothing, NOTHING, is immune from their ire and misery
something "bury your gays" bullshite
nothing, NOTHING, is immune from their ire and misery
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:08 am to DomincDecoco
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not reading this thread but saw people are butthurt that the gay dude got killed
something "bury your gays" bullshite
nothing, NOTHING, is immune from their ire and misery
Who? Some random people on twitter? Who cares.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:11 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Simply implying he was gay would have made the entire ending of the episode stupid. I get you not wanting to see it, hell I didnt want to see it, but it made sense to show it other than just him mentioning it on the beach.
This. Showing is ALWAYS better than telling in story both in novels as in movies and TV. It’s always better that they work together but simply implying something and never showing is generally a recipe for bad writing.
I mean what if we NEVER saw Jaws and just saw limbs flying and an entire ship be destroyed? It’s silly
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:29 am to iwyLSUiwy
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I get you not wanting to see it, hell I didnt want to see it, but it made sense to show it other than just him mentioning it on the beach.
Did you not understand the conversation they were having when they walking down the beach. Were you confused as what was going on? At that point we knew he was gay.
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meeting Laenors lover made a bigger impact on what took place later in the show.
I agree but the scene of them together rolling around on the beach had no impact. Now their discussion later regarding the Princess and her lover did have an impact and was all that was needed when he approached Cole. I am not sure how them dry rubbing on the beach was needed or had any impact. I guess some people need a visual to understand what he was implying when walking.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:32 am to DomincDecoco
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not reading this thread but saw people are butthurt that the gay dude got killed
something "bury your gays" bullshite
nothing, NOTHING, is immune from their ire and misery
Apparently you did not read anything before posting. I have yet to see one person in here complain or upset that a guy that was gay got killed.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:37 am to WicKed WayZ
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This. Showing is ALWAYS better than telling in story both in novels as in movies and TV. It’s always better that they work together but simply implying something and never showing is generally a recipe for bad writing.
Again we first learn he was gay while walking on the beach with the princess. Adds another level to his story arc.
Next he dry humps a guy on the beach. Yes we already know he is gay. Yes we are introduced to his lover which should easily already be assumed at that point but do you need to see them dry humping in the sand to be convinced?
Now the wedding comes around and we see him talking with his lover and that is what leads into and up to the confrontation with Cole. The dry humping had nothing to do with that. But you seem hell bent on watching swords cross to believe it to prove someone is actually gay.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:49 am to TideWarrior
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Did you not understand the conversation they were having when they walking down the beach. Were you confused as what was going on? At that point we knew he was gay.
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I agree but the scene of them together rolling around on the beach had no impact. Now their discussion later regarding the Princess and her lover did have an impact and was all that was needed when he approached Cole. I am not sure how them dry rubbing on the beach was needed or had any impact. I guess some people need a visual to understand what he was implying when walking.
There were a lot of things done for exposition for the “dumbed down” viewer in GoT and I expect as much here.
I do also think that scene also showed his closeness/connection with his paramour and why it would illicit such an emotional response when he was killed. So I don’t see it as a wasted/shoe horned scene.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:55 am to DomincDecoco
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something "bury your gays" bullshite
here is the AV Club episode recap
LINK
it is...something all right
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Over the course of its eight-season run, critics and fans alike dinged Game Of Thrones for its failures of representation. Characters of color were thin on the ground and often viewed through a regressive colonialist lens; violence and cruelty toward women was handled with graphic abandon; and the show’s few LGBTQ+ characters were treated with particular cruelty.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:56 am to TideWarrior
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Did you not understand the conversation they were having when they walking down the beach. Were you confused as what was going on? At that point we knew he was gay.
You just quoted me where I was saying that they were talking about him being gay on the beach
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I agree but the scene of them together rolling around on the beach had no impact. Now their discussion later regarding the Princess and her lover did have an impact and was all that was needed when he approached Cole. I am not sure how them dry rubbing on the beach was needed or had any impact. I guess some people need a visual to understand what he was implying when walking.
Look, this is probably the first time I've argued in favor of having a 5 second gay scene and I don't plan on doing it again
I mean I fast forwarded through it because I was like well this might go on a while and I don't care to see it, but their discussion and implying wasn't enough. A guy got his face pounded in. Laenor was crying in front of his bride, parents, and the king. It would be incredibly stupid if he was that visibly upset if all they did was imply he was gay while they were walking on the beach. I get why they needed to show it, it showed that he actually really loved that dude. Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:58 am to BluegrassBelle
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There were a lot of things done for exposition for the “dumbed down” viewer in GoT and I expect as much here.
Agreed
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I do also think that scene also showed his closeness/connection with his paramour and why it would illicit such an emotional response when he was killed. So I don’t see it as a wasted/shoe horned scene.
I think their conversation leading up to the confrontation created enough back story to see what eventually played out and the responses garnered from it.
But again some people enjoy one aspect to develop the plot where others have a different preference. To each his own for what works for them.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:08 pm to TideWarrior
I really like how they introduce characters in the show. So many people have been there from the beginning, but they didn't bother to name them, or mentioned something about them in passing. It's very much like the books (at least the ASOIAF books). The example I'm thinking of are all of the Strongs. Viserys mentioned Breakbones Strong when he thought his dad was trying to propose him as a match. Then, a couple of episodes later, he just comes in throwing people all over to save Rhaenyra. I could be wrong, but I don't know if they even mentioned his name while he was on screen. You just see him next Clubfoot and know this big mother fricker must be Breakbones.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:09 pm to TideWarrior
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But again some people enjoy one aspect to develop the plot where others have a different preference. To each his own for what works for them.
We were told that Daemon had a whore. Did you complain about the scene with Daemon hitting it from the back even though it was completely unnecessary and did nothing to progress the plot? I didn't. The gay scene was not up my ally at all, like I say, I fast forwarded it, but it actually served a purpose. And it was a lot less sexual than Daemons scene and the brothel scene.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:16 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I mean I fast forwarded through it because I was like well this might go on a while and I don't care to see it, but their discussion and implying wasn't enough. A guy got his face pounded in. Laenor was crying in front of his bride, parents, and the king. It would be incredibly stupid if he was that visibly upset if all they did was imply he was gay while they were walking on the beach. I get why they needed to show it, it showed that he actually really loved that dude.
The conversation between him and his lover on the beach we discover their strong bond as Joeffrey tells him:
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I've always feared the day you'd have to marry a woman. And now it comes. Your betrothed gives you leave of her own free will to continue partaking of.
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I've come to meet my fate and you make a jape of it?
Look, Rhaenyra will be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms and you will be her king consort. ( laughs )
Think of the tournament, the feast, the battles at sea. Will you wear your crown today, Your Grace? ( chuckles )
You're a fool. ( grunting )
You will need a sworn protector. Mm-hm. ( pensive music playing )
Well, this is better than we could've hoped for. She has a paramour of her own. I wonder who it is.
For those that do not know Paramour means lover. I understood that which would indicate that are deeply involved in a relationship beyond grinding. At that point to me I needed no more proof to what was being implied or who his Paramour is at that time. Again for me but it seems others do.
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I get why they needed to show it, it showed that he actually really loved that dude.
Again for me that conversation covers the part you just said without the scene.
Also the fact he was so determined to find out who her lover was and to confront/approach demonstrates even more because he felt the need to make it clear to Cole what the situation was.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:21 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Did you complain about the scene with Daemon hitting it from the back even though it was completely unnecessary and did nothing to progress the plot?
You seem to making this out it had something to do with it being gay vs not gay. You have clearly stated you do not enjoy the one and fast forward. All I have stated is that neither add anything to me.
All they had to do for me was show me her at the brothel and how he treated her and then left the scene.
So yes in my earlier statements I have said there have been unnecessary gay and rape scenes in GoT and now HoD and that Hollywood sells sex(including unneeded scenes) because viewers like it not that it is needed.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:23 pm to TideWarrior
This argument is really derailing the thread.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:26 pm to DestrehanTiger
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I really like how they introduce characters in the show. So many people have been there from the beginning, but they didn't bother to name them, or mentioned something about them in passing. It's very much like the books (at least the ASOIAF books). The example I'm thinking of are all of the Strongs. Viserys mentioned Breakbones Strong when he thought his dad was trying to propose him as a match. Then, a couple of episodes later, he just comes in throwing people all over to save Rhaenyra. I could be wrong, but I don't know if they even mentioned his name while he was on screen. You just see him next Clubfoot and know this big mother fricker must be Breakbones.
As it seems for the most part they are following the book I think we will see them continue to be introduced this way as so many have roles throughout the book.
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