re: House of Cards Season 5 Thread Discussion

I am on Episode 10 right now and the only good part so far for me was Van Jones saying that "Everyone needs to accept the fact that Frank Underwood won and to just move on"

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So, I started watching HOC a couple years ago but only got through the first 7 or 8 episodes. I just started again with S1E1. I don't want to read through the thread for spoilers, but if you had to rank the HOC seasons, how would you rank them?

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1>2>>>>>4>>>5>3

Huge drop-off from S1 and S2 in my opinion.

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So Frances pushes Durant down some stairs, and that's the best that they could come up with?

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he also pushed her down like 3 stairs. and what's going to happen when she wakes up and says Frank pushed her down the stairs.

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she wakes up

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Lol

It's probably the stupidest plot point in HoC so far. There is just so much about it that doesn't make sense. There's no guarantee or even reasonable expectation that a trip down the stairs is going to incapacitate her. If she isn't dead or brain damaged then she is going to remember that Frank pushed her as you pointed out. It would look obviously, stupidly suspicious that she fell down some stairs right before she was about to testify in an investigation against the one person who was there when she fell down the stairs.

It's crazy how stupid it is and kind of shocking that it actually made it into the show.

It was on okay season to me. Jeffries rise was weird. His motivations were difficult to understand. At first he's this reporter that we're supposed to like and think he's going to be a good guy and then all of a sudden he's just a dude with no conscious that wants to work in the White House.

If this goes the way of dexter (that there's no payoff or justice) then this is going to be a disspointing show.

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Jeffries rise was weird. His motivations were difficult to understand. At first he's this reporter that we're supposed to like and think he's going to be a good guy and then all of a sudden he's just a dude with no conscious that wants to work in the White House.

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In true House of Cards fashion, He really did a hell of a job completely destroying his own likability and credibility.

We all know someone like Sean Jeffries in real life. He's that brown noser that we all love to hate and for that reason we do everything we can to avoid him.

While I have yet to see this season, I have one suggestion:

1) This should have been 3 fricking seasons instead of milking it.

It's ridiculous this concept is going on this long. It's not fun to see Frank flounder. It's fun to see him go to the top. Once he makes it, pull out the rug from under him entirely.

Do what the original series did: make him a great President, but skip all over that and go immediately to his fall, like say Lucas getting out of prison and exposing everything to his certain death. This was meant to be a trilogy, but they fricked it all up.

And with Trump in office, who gives a shite anymore? That's way more entertaining than this crap. Hell he also directly talks to his audience through his tweets. This show's legacy will be that of Heroes.

The main thing I enjoy about HoC is the dialogue and pacing. It helps bring out some really good acting IMO.

For S5 - I can get over the secret brotherhood stuff, but what gets me is the throw away of Conway on anger issues and the set up for Claire to POTUS. Too manufactured IMO.

It's still a better show than West Wing with Sorkin's ridiculous dialogue and loaded up quips.

I know a lot of HoC watchers didn't like Yates, but I thought his character was good. At least he went out like most of would like to, lol. I would have liked to keep Neve Campbell's char around with Stamper more than the story approach they took.

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Ummm you do realize that them being shameless politicians who will stop at nothing to get power is the whole point of the show right?

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There's a fine line between being shameless/sleazy and outright corrupt criminals. Watch the Roger Stone documentary on Netflix for an idea of this. He's sleazy as hell in his political tactics but nothing he ever did was illegal and he's still a good dude and quite the guy in his own personal life.

Shameless and sleazy politicians in real life still do actually have a heart and a soul that genuinely cares about the people around them and the american people as a whole. Even obviously power hungry people like the Clintons and Obamas loved kids and cherished them and that's evidence by their own families being stable and strong. The Bushes being the big globalists they are still deeply cared about America's veterans and did everything they could to fight aids in Africa. Donald Trump raised 5 great kids that are well adjusted and there is plenty of documentation of him doing some great things unprovoked. And the thing is that they all won their positions and elections fair and square without any obvious proven illegal crimes.

That's not the case for the Underwoods as they are outright corrupt criminals. The biggest sign that that they are psychopathic monsters is the fact they they have repeatedly said that they hate kids and did everything they could to minimize them and avoid them. It takes someone so cold to actually hate kids. The Underwoods don't give a shite about anything but their own power and personal gain. They don't even care about their own spouse as evidenced by Frank and Claire completely hating each other and Frank promising to kill Claire.

The Underwoods have literally attacked the integrity of free and fair elections into outright election fraud, and also literally killed, sabotaged, blackmailed and framed innocent people to advance their own standing and gain power and high position. That's not being shameless/sleazy, that's being evil monsters that belongs in federal prison or more specifically, ADX Florence.

If this was real life and the Underwoods actually did half or even part of the shite they did in season 5, DC and like 85% of Americans as a whole would be losing their fricking minds and calling for their heads. We would be seeing actual riots in the streets. Just Hammerschmidt's article alone would've immediately started a search for a special prosecutor and special committees in Congress would've been convened immediately.