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re: Guillermo Del Toro's Excellent "Nightmare Alley" is now streaming on Hulu and HBO Max
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:02 am to Grievous Angel
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:02 am to Grievous Angel
ETA well shite I didn’t mean to be the first post of a new page, I’ll move the spoilers down one
SPOILERS BELOW
SPOILERS BELOW
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Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:03 am to wildtigercat93
SPOILERS
I thought it was going to end on the train (with all the chickens) with him having to eat them to survive, thus becoming a geek in a more round about way
Then when he showed up to the carnival I knew it was coming but the performance was so enthralling at that point the “twist” was kind of an afterthought in the moment but the last few days that whole geek storyline has really stuck with my thoughts
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I thought it was going to end on the train (with all the chickens) with him having to eat them to survive, thus becoming a geek in a more round about way
Then when he showed up to the carnival I knew it was coming but the performance was so enthralling at that point the “twist” was kind of an afterthought in the moment but the last few days that whole geek storyline has really stuck with my thoughts
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:30 pm to RLDSC FAN
This was a long arse movie and it felt even longer then its 2 hr 40 min runtime. Not bad but definitely not my cup of tea. Gets better in the second half but that first half is not the easiest to get through.
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:57 pm to Peter167
I enjoyed it but considering the resumes of the people involved like Cooper, del Tori, Toni Colette, and Cate Blanchett, it wasn’t their finest work.
I understand why there were high expectations and why it likely won’t be a major player at the Oscars.
Still it was a good film, and I’m disappointed it didn’t do well at the box office. I hope there are more movies like this that are produced.
I understand why there were high expectations and why it likely won’t be a major player at the Oscars.
Still it was a good film, and I’m disappointed it didn’t do well at the box office. I hope there are more movies like this that are produced.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:02 pm to RLDSC FAN
Hadn’t seen the original, but really enjoyed this movie.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:11 pm to McCaigBro69
Definitely going to check out the original soon. Apparently it was ripped to shreds when it came out and then it’s had a bit of a cult revival for its era later on
Also the ending is apparently a lot more optimistic than the book or the new adaptations ending
Also the ending is apparently a lot more optimistic than the book or the new adaptations ending
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:33 pm to wildtigercat93
So is this where the term "geek" comes from? lol I have always wondered. Pretty blatant display of addiction and downward spiral. I liked it a lot. I always laugh at period dramas when a lot of these characters are so well put together. I wouldn't expect a bunch of traveling carnies in rural America to be sporting nice hair cuts and shaved faces.
Also, maybe I tuned out for a minute but the jump from rural carnival to high society NYC was a drastic come up for some carnies. Also, what was the motive of the doctor? Was she somehow wronged by the 'Stepbrothers" dad, or just conning a conman just for fun?
Also, maybe I tuned out for a minute but the jump from rural carnival to high society NYC was a drastic come up for some carnies. Also, what was the motive of the doctor? Was she somehow wronged by the 'Stepbrothers" dad, or just conning a conman just for fun?
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:37 pm to wildtigercat93
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As I was watching it felt like it was borrowing a bit from The Master, a little from Shutter Island, a little from Mad Men, and a little from The Prestige to make this concoction of a really fun mystery thriller
It’s based on a book written in 1946.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:59 pm to GeauxBayouBengals
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It’s based on a book written in 1946.
I don’t see your point
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:01 pm to BorrisMart
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Also, what was the motive of the doctor? Was she somehow wronged by the 'Stepbrothers" dad, or just conning a conman just for fun?
Revenge for their first interaction I believe is the initial motivator.
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:05 pm to BorrisMart
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Also, maybe I tuned out for a minute but the jump from rural carnival to high society NYC was a drastic come up for some carnies.
They left the carnival to start their own act because they knew how good they were, or at least that’s how I took it. It was just a transition of them driving away from the carnival I believe.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:14 pm to McCaigBro69
They had the Book that gave them the act that was used by the drunk and the wife at the carnival. He basically used that whole set up to steal the act of the Mentalist at the carnival. It’s not directly stated whether he gave the wrong alchohol to the drunk on purpose or not, but given what we found out about
his character, id bet it was international
I believe you’re supposed to assume (or it may even have been stated) that a few years passes from the time they leave the carnival until it shows them being successful working the event. It’s not like they left and instantly became stars, Cooper’s character is just very good at the mentalism aspect and adjusting on the spot and ultimately has the ambition to use it for financial gain and to manipulate the grieving rich, despite being warned how disastrous that can be
his character, id bet it was international
I believe you’re supposed to assume (or it may even have been stated) that a few years passes from the time they leave the carnival until it shows them being successful working the event. It’s not like they left and instantly became stars, Cooper’s character is just very good at the mentalism aspect and adjusting on the spot and ultimately has the ambition to use it for financial gain and to manipulate the grieving rich, despite being warned how disastrous that can be
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:50 pm to wildtigercat93
It does state two years later
Posted on 2/4/22 at 5:06 pm to Jay Are
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It does state two years later
It does but that is a jarring break with a lot of character evolution. SPOILERS*He purposefully gave his mentor the wood alcohol and Cate Blanchet knew that. I saw the ending coming early on especially when he was kind to the geek and heard how to "create" one. I was surprised when CB turned on his--did not see that part coming. I was not familiar with the story so i was expecting more of a Del Toro fantasy/horrro/monster movie. Really well shot w/ an A+ cast.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 6:01 pm to wildtigercat93
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Revenge for their first interaction I believe is the initial motivator.
Ok that is what I thought, well that and the "you're not as powerful as you think," line or whatever. Seems mighty twisted, she was obviously crazy and he was dumb for thinking the ghost plan would work. Thought Agent Trench was gonna put a hurting on him. He is perfect cast type for a 1920s-1960s goon lol.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:25 pm to RLDSC FAN
Its beautiful cinematic, rather long and slow though.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:39 am to RLDSC FAN
I love the original. Saw it last year on TCM, when they had Guillermo Del Toro & his co-screen writer on the 2021 movie, Kim Morgan, hosting a night of Noir. Loved it, and watched it again when TCM showed it on a Saturday night a couple of weeks ago. It has become my favorite Tyrone Power movie over Blood & Sand, The Razor's Edge, Witness for the Prosecution, and the Rawhide movie. He was one of those actors that is great in the movies he really wanted to make. He wanted this one bad enough to buy the rights to the novel, and then had to persuade a reluctant Darryl Zanuck and 20th Century Fox to go ahead with the film.
TCM article on Nightmare Alley (1947)
Watched the 2021 film last night. It's a beautifully shot movie. The colors, especially the footage shot at night, are spectacular. Even the interior shots were great. The office of Cate Blanchett, who plays a psychiatrist that helps him scam people, is probably the most beautiful office you'll ever see.
Architectural Digest took notice of it!
The story is tight, and kept me thinking, and rethinking, what kind of damage he would do to the people around him. Having seen the original, I knew this one might be different, but you could see bad things coming. Definitely a really good watch. I'd recommend the 1947 movie too.
TCM shows a Noir movie at 11 pm Central time every Saturday.
TCM article on Nightmare Alley (1947)
Watched the 2021 film last night. It's a beautifully shot movie. The colors, especially the footage shot at night, are spectacular. Even the interior shots were great. The office of Cate Blanchett, who plays a psychiatrist that helps him scam people, is probably the most beautiful office you'll ever see.
Architectural Digest took notice of it!
The story is tight, and kept me thinking, and rethinking, what kind of damage he would do to the people around him. Having seen the original, I knew this one might be different, but you could see bad things coming. Definitely a really good watch. I'd recommend the 1947 movie too.
TCM shows a Noir movie at 11 pm Central time every Saturday.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 4:17 pm to RLDSC FAN
This movie was the most beautifully shot, directed, and acted letdown ever.
I wasn't familiar with the original and didn't realize that it would have such an obvious ending. I kept hoping that Del Toro would steer it into something other that the blatant O. Henry snap conclusion, but there it was.
Maybe if I'd seen the original first I wouldn't be as upset.
I wasn't familiar with the original and didn't realize that it would have such an obvious ending. I kept hoping that Del Toro would steer it into something other that the blatant O. Henry snap conclusion, but there it was.
Maybe if I'd seen the original first I wouldn't be as upset.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 9:40 pm to RLDSC FAN
I didn't even know there was an original so I just went in blind. Anything to do with carnivals and eerieness like this I'm automatically into, and this movie was hypnotizing in how it looked. But I kept feeling like it was a messed up VHS that keeps jumping forward a couple of minutes. Bradley Cooper's character went from lowly carny to luxurious lounge act so fast I felt like I missed something, and he was so practiced and artificial the whole movie I was just like eh whatever at his emotional ending. All the characters were that way. I'm sure it's supposed to be that way but it was hard for me to get sucked in by the characters when none of them had a personality
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:18 pm to RLDSC FAN
My only real beef is that the lighting is too dark, esoecially the carnival. Every carnival show I've been to was well lit and colorful. They want to set a happy mood. I'm old enough to remember the freak shows and a woman who could shoot ping-pong balls out of her pussy at the Opelika, Alabama county fair.
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