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re: GoT S7 E2 "Stormborn" Thread: Maesters Only, Hodors GFY
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:30 pm to Dam Guide
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:30 pm to Dam Guide
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So it's definitely possible one or two of Dany's dragons will fall before the end of the season.
Didn't the season preview show an ice dragon?
Dead dragon > becomes a white walker zombie dragon
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 12:33 pm
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:31 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Dude, he's basically only had two or three conversations with Tyrion and that was before his story really took off. He doesn't really know Tyrion all that well. Do I think Tyrion would frick Jon over like that? No, but you've gotta look at it from Jon's perspective. He doesn't know shite about Danaerys and you don't bend the knee because the Hand asked you to.
He trusts tyrion a good bit. Despite their limited time together, Jon was able to gauge that Tyrion is a good dude and has a legit moral code
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:37 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Dude, he's basically only had two or three conversations with Tyrion and that was before his story really took off. He doesn't really know Tyrion all that well. Do I think Tyrion would frick Jon over like that?
He spent far more time with him than that, Tyrion rode with him to The Wall from Winterfell and that's ~630 miles. On horseback. If you average out 40 miles per day of riding (mounted soldiers would push for 50-60 miles per day if the need was great, but that's damned taxing) that roughly two weeks.
I'm pretty sure they had more conversations, we just weren't privy to them.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:41 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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Dead dragon > becomes a white walker zombie dragon
I dont like to speculate that they kill a dragon and then turn it.
Its like the zombie giants. How do we know they didnt have those giants in the army for hundreds or thousands of years? They could very well have dragons too, I would think.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:42 pm to Paddyshack
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Dead dragon > becomes a white walker zombie dragon
I dont like to speculate that they kill a dragon and then turn it.
Its like the zombie giants. How do we know they didnt have those giants in the army for hundreds or thousands of years? They could very well have dragons too, I would think.
Certainly, but it just seems to make sense
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:42 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Well Jon has left for Dragonstone while Bran arrived at the Wall in the last episode
Which poses an interesting question... Where does Bran fit in the politics of all this? Or Arya for that matter?
I think Jon may have been tempted to bend the knee but with Euron's obliteration of her navy, her hand is considerably weakened. That event may end up being the leverage Jon needs to form an alliance as opposed to subservience.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:43 pm to Paddyshack
Ignore me like the writers should have ignored Dorne.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:44 pm to Bard
Again, the Unsullied definitely get to Casterly Rock (trailers) so that can't have been her whole navy.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:44 pm to Paddyshack
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I dont like to speculate that they kill a dragon and then turn it.
it being telegraphed from a mile away...
one or more dragons gets killed = 100% likely
one of the killed dragons gets re-animated = 50% likely
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:45 pm to Bard
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Where does Bran fit in the politics of all this? Or Arya for that matter?
Bran is the only one who knows Jon Snow's real parents and that he is Stark/Targaryan rather than a bastard of Ned Stark.
I don't like how the show took a left turn and said the Valaryian noun for "Prince" that was promised meant prince OR princess that was promised.
Seems a bit forced.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:48 pm to cgrand
The show does like to foreshadow things
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:48 pm to musick
Not forced, that quirk of Valyrian exists in the books. Maester Aemon mentions it when he hears about Danny.
From the books,
From the books,
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What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it..
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:49 pm to 1BamaRTR
Hmmm, trying to think of this all from the big point of view, and the character's perspectives.
They're going to have to wrap this infighting for the Throne up, by the time the Wall is in danger. Because while I accept it's a fantasy, it is somewhat realistic in terms of people's opinions.
Let's be real with this: no military commander on either side will want to continue fighting, if/when they realize the fricking zombie apocalypse is upon them. Starks will absolutely welcome a Lannister army inside their castle wall, and would freely offer provisions etc. Because everyone sane realizes "oh shite, we're all in big trouble now".
Everyone sane... Cersei is nuts. She won't quit, and is holed up.
That leaves Jaime, who, other than fricking his sister, has always been the one to do the necessary act. He killed the Mad King because it was necessary, despite being sworn to him. He shoved Bran out the window because it was necessary to silence him, not because he was a big meanie.
It will be necessary to end this war at once, and unite every faction of mankind vs the Night King, because there are no making treaties or alliances. This is impending extinction that must be faced.
Jaime will have to kill Cersei, surrender Kings Landing, offer his sword and troops, and thank her for bringing the Dothraki, Unsullied and dragons to Westeros, because they will need every last bit of that force combined with everyone else.
Jon knows this, Mel knows this. How the rest get to learn this is going to be the point of this season, as they go back and forth on the battles.
They're going to have to wrap this infighting for the Throne up, by the time the Wall is in danger. Because while I accept it's a fantasy, it is somewhat realistic in terms of people's opinions.
Let's be real with this: no military commander on either side will want to continue fighting, if/when they realize the fricking zombie apocalypse is upon them. Starks will absolutely welcome a Lannister army inside their castle wall, and would freely offer provisions etc. Because everyone sane realizes "oh shite, we're all in big trouble now".
Everyone sane... Cersei is nuts. She won't quit, and is holed up.
That leaves Jaime, who, other than fricking his sister, has always been the one to do the necessary act. He killed the Mad King because it was necessary, despite being sworn to him. He shoved Bran out the window because it was necessary to silence him, not because he was a big meanie.
It will be necessary to end this war at once, and unite every faction of mankind vs the Night King, because there are no making treaties or alliances. This is impending extinction that must be faced.
Jaime will have to kill Cersei, surrender Kings Landing, offer his sword and troops, and thank her for bringing the Dothraki, Unsullied and dragons to Westeros, because they will need every last bit of that force combined with everyone else.
Jon knows this, Mel knows this. How the rest get to learn this is going to be the point of this season, as they go back and forth on the battles.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:50 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
One of my favorite lines in the show is when Tormund tells Jon that he spent too much time with them. That he'd never be able to kneel for anyone again.
That's the first thing I thought of when Dany told Tyrion to summon him so he can bend the knee
That's the first thing I thought of when Dany told Tyrion to summon him so he can bend the knee
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:53 pm to Scoob
Nice post, I agree and will add that for the show to really do the battle for humanity against the ice zombies they will need to dedicate a minimum of 4 episodes of actual fighting / battles to really put forth the idea of a protracted war for the survival of humanity.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:55 pm to Sneaky__Sally
I think you essentially have to have the human on human conflict resolved this season. Maybe a bit spills over, I could see Littlefinger living to like Ep 1 or Ep 2 of S8.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:57 pm to CorporateTiger
Ya i'm thinking the same thing - one of the two conflicts has to be completed this season. It seems the throne conflict will have some sort of resolution (be it a single ruler or a treaty / alliance of nations)
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:59 pm to Sneaky__Sally
With Danny currently pulling an Atlanta Falcons, I think Jaime killing Cersei after the wall falls is an increasingly likely outcome.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:01 pm to musick
quote:Doesn't make him any less of a bastard. His parents weren't married.
Bran is the only one who knows Jon Snow's real parents and that he is Stark/Targaryan rather than a bastard.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:02 pm to MontyFranklyn
Ned Stark's bastard is what I meant.
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