re: GoT S7 E2 "Stormborn" Thread: Maesters Only, Hodors GFY

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would also like an answer to this. Is Yara and everyone in that fleet so incompetent that Euron got in ramming range before anyone said anything or is this Euron magic?

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The Silence bro!

I thought the episode was solid except for the Missendei and Grey Worm sex scene.

Jesus Christ go back to Political Talk or the Hodor thread. Your bitching about women is fricking ridiculous

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thought the episode was solid except for the Missendei and Grey Worm sex scene

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great tits though, can't lie

Get over it.

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So is the consensus that Dany will take the Rock?

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yes

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At what point does she turn her attention to the night's king?

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S07E07

So the wall falls that episode, as well?

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And how can a fleet sneak up on another fleet without anyone sounding an alarm?


I would also like an answer to this. Is Yara and everyone in that fleet so incompetent that Euron got in ramming range before anyone said anything or is this Euron magic?

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I don't mean to be a condescending butthead about this, but it's one of those things that is difficult to understand if you've never been in real combat.

The "fog of war" - I prefer to use the term "pattern of endemic bad information or lack of communication" - or whatever other cliche term you wish to use is pretty damn real. It's part of why I think Martin's combat writing is so good throughout his books, and D&D manage to capture pretty well throughout the TV series (and they often even give nods to real battles in the series, like how Battle of the Bastards was immediately recognizable as a nod to Cannae).

I fairly often see claims of "why didn't they anticipate this!?" or "it's unrealistic that they wouldn't have seen that!" here and elsewhere, and I kind of shake my head. If you're a Middle Age military sailor or soldier or even high level commander (what GoT is a derivative of), your picture of what is going on around you is often tragically incomplete. It was and still is often tragically incomplete for even American soldiers in these recent wars overseas, and that is with the full communication capabilities of the deadliest weapon invented since 1900 - the combat net radio.

Try to picture this in your head: the fog is so dense that you cannot see more than 100 feet past your own boat. You have sent out patrolling sentries around your fleet, but they have no way of communicating with you except for through flame signals, and even then, those tend to be too late, incomplete, and inaccurate.

It happens extremely quickly and often without warning, even with sentries and patrols and guards and all that, especially when you are not the aggressor. As an example, Euron was the aggressor in that scene, and he completely and thoroughly surprised a lazy and complacent enemy. You can find examples of that exact same thing throughout modern military history all the way until about last month. GoT isn't perfect, and I think they probably get some things wrong about medieval combat, but that is one thing they have pretty damn dead on.

Thanks for the explanation. That actually makes a lot of sense.

Nathalie is easily one of the hottest chicks on the show