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re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Sn 4 - Offseason Discussion ***Spoilers Possible***

Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:24 pm to
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We don't get a Tywin POV during the trial so it's hard to tell what his real thoughts are. I think we only see what others think he thinks.


I hope we do, it would help in fleshing out the trial a bit more.
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 2:38 pm to
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usually "decent" kings dont last very long in these waters.


they haven't had a decent king in a few decades
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 2:41 pm to
Robert for all his faults was a decent king
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 2:46 pm to
No he wasn't, he was a horrible king
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 2:49 pm to
Robert was pretty terrible. He wasn't cruel and sadistic like the Mad King, but he had no desire to be a ruler. Remember in S1 how shocked and disgusted Ned is at the state of the crown? Ned didn't know how bad things were until he got there. Jon Arryn basically did everything for Robert.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 2:57 pm to
i just got the impression Robert ate, hunted and fricked and let Arryn rule. Not terrible but not great either

maybe decent was too nice. i'll say below average but not terrible
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 3:05 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:06 pm to
He also ran up quite a bit of debt...or was that Littlefinger?
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:10 pm to
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He also ran up quite a bit of debt...or was that Littlefinger?



pretty sure that was strategic on the part of LF
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:15 pm to
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He also ran up quite a bit of debt...or was that Littlefinger?


While Robert definitely whored and ate and hunted, his Master of Coin did little to remind him that he was burning through it.

It was also always interesting that Littlefinger could make money "appear out of thin air".
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Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:18 pm to
And I'll answer it here (or if a non-reader wants to drop it in that thread), on HBOGo you can usually watch what happened in the last episode and the preview for the next on the screen where you've selected the episode and are getting ready to hit play.
Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:19 pm to
yeah robert wasnt the best, but i agree he wasnt terrible. we saw what terrible was with the next go round.
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:24 pm to
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It was also always interesting that Littlefinger could make money "appear out of thin air".


I'm curious to see if we'll ever find out how he was getting the funds.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:29 pm to
didn't LF come up with some 40k+ gold dragons for the tourney in honor of Ned?
Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:35 pm to
isnt understood he just borrowed it from braavos?
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:37 pm to
unlimited credit?
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:38 pm to
It is, but I'm just curious what his current standing is with the Iron Bank.
Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:39 pm to
thats the way Tywin has made it sound this season.
Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:40 pm to
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I'm just curious what his current standing is with the Iron Bank


this is where I get a bit confused. so clearly LF wanted the kingdom to be in tremendous debt. but why? if he was to ever climb the ranks, how would this help?

is his end goal then to get the kingdom in debt then work with Braavos and promise to pay the debt if hes in power?
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:43 pm to
Varys said he wants to rule the ashes.

sounds like he wants to take everyone down with him. why? who the frick knows.
Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:45 pm to



i really dont see this to be the case for LF though. he seems to want power and to at least rule something. all of his motivations has been to slowly maneuver himself up the ladder of power. maybe he plans to sell Westeros out to Braavos and hope to rule with them?
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