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re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Between Seasons Discussion ***Spoilers Possible***

Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:42 am to
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:42 am to
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unhappy with the current crop of faux-Baratheons


Well the Joffrey is going down the same path as the mad king and making even his family nervous about what he will do.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:45 am to
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Well the Joffrey is going down the same path as the mad king and making even his family nervous about what he will do.


Will Tommen be any better? With Cersei as queen regent?

Honestly, I think she's going to agree with the conventional wisdom of letting Joffrey go to avoid Margaery becoming queen. With Tommen, Cersei gets to be queen regent for several more years. If Joffrey and Margaery actually get married, Cersei will only have slightly more power than Emma Peel.
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:45 am to
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YouTube. That dream sequence, which was left out of season 1 of the show, is where a lot of the speculation comes from.


still cant believe they left that out of the show... its kinda a big deal
Posted by busbeepbeep
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:47 am to
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one reason why Ned never tells john about his mom etc


poor Jon Snow, no one ever wants to talk to him

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Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:47 am to
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left that out of the show... its kinda a big deal


Maybe on purpose to give us Hodor's another shock down the road.
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:48 am to
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Will Tommen be any better? With Cersei as queen regent?



she and tyrion have a talk and she says something along the lines of 1 out of 3 incest are loons. shes says its true. and tyrion responds with yes but look at how amazing tommen and marsella are..
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:53 am to
It's said in both the books and the show, with the Targaryens and their incest, you flip a coin, 1 side is madness, and the other side is brilliance. King Aerys and Viserys were mad, Rhaegar and Dany are brilliant.

So, with Cersei and Jaime's kids situation, Joffrey is mad, and Myrcella and Tommen are not. Both are very sweet children unlike their sicko brother.
Posted by Zed
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:55 am to
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Maybe on purpose to give us Hodor's another shock down the road.
They must've thought it was too much foreshadowing. Is it's absence in the show more evidence for the theory being true?

Why wouldn't he tell Caitlyn though? Would've saved him and Jon from a lot of grief.
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:56 am to
i just thought i remembered her say some 1 out of 3

but I remember that as well.


Ugh i want to read right now
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:59 am to
Basically the only people who survived the day Lyanna died and who were present when she died were Ned and Howland Reed, who is Jojen and Meera's father. GRRM has yet to introduce Howland in the books, but alleges he will be in either book 6 or 7. So we won't know for sure until then .
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:03 am to
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Why wouldn't he tell Caitlyn though


Would have made Cat more likeable and the Red Wedding nuclear instead of just earth shattering.
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:05 am to
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the day Lyanna died and who were present when she died were Ned and Howland Reed, who is Jojen and Meera's father.


That's cool how you meet the kids before the father who is apparently the only man alive that knows the biggest secret in all of Westeros.
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:06 am to
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Basically the only people who survived the day Lyanna died


Did they go to Dorne to rescue her? Were the Martells holding her "captive" for Rhaegar?
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:07 am to
I finally got my mom to read the books. she loves the show. She finished book one this morning and texted me that when she downloaded the 2nd book they gave her the audio book for 6 bucks. thats pretty solid deal
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:08 am to
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Why wouldn't he tell Caitlyn though? Would've saved him and Jon from a lot of grief.


Because he promised his sister as her dying wish?

Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:09 am to
or he knew the snitches get stiches


they ended up not being about to stich up his injury though
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:10 am to
Yeah, exactly.

Not much is really known of Howland Reed. The Reeds are Crannogmen which are basically the Cajuns of Westeros. They live on a floating island that is surrounded by lizard lions (their version of alligators).
Posted by Zed
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:14 am to
So if he really is Rhaegar's son, and him and Lyanna got married, is he or Dany the rightful heir?
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 10:20 am
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:15 am to
Why are the Reed kids just out roaming around? Is anybody looking for them?
Posted by TigerNutwhack
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 10:15 am to
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So if he really is Rhaegar's son, and him and Caitlyn got married, is he or Dany the rightful heir?


I think you meant Lyanna?

And if Rheagar and Lyanna were married, that would make Jon Rheagar's true born son, and heir to the iron throne.
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