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Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:25 am to wish i was tebow
Did it say she was pregnant when she was kidnapped? Or was she even kidnapped. Does it insinuate she was banging Raegar on the side.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:26 am to wish i was tebow
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I also think there's a possibility that its Ned and his sisters incest child
Oh man that would be fricked.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:27 am to BOSCEAUX
there are some dreams in book one that just make you think, well frick maybe... maybe...
one reason why Ned never tells john about his mom etc
one reason why Ned never tells john about his mom etc
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:28 am to BOSCEAUX
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Did it say she was pregnant when she was kidnapped? Or was she even kidnapped. Does it insinuate she was banging Raegar on the side.
I'm not sure all those facts have even been revealed in the books yet - it is possible that she became pregnant with Rhaegar's child and the kidnapping was faked to conceal that. The more I think about it, the more I believe that was a Romeo and Juliet thing going on there and produced Jon Snow.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:29 am to Ace Midnight
How far are you in the books Ace?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:30 am to wish i was tebow
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How far are you in the books Ace?
Not very far.
ETA: I think that Ned is researching the lineage book.
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 9:31 am
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:32 am to Ace Midnight
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Hot Pie is low born - right now, Gendry has the best claim - better than Stannis or any of the faux-Baratheons if the truth were known - really it's Dany and Gendry with the best argument for the Iron Throne, using the internal logic of the show. However, as the show brutally illustrates, it's not about the rules everybody agreed to - it's about who has the stones to take/hold power (i.e. Tywin Lannister).
I figured this was the best place to point out that since Gendry is a bastard, he has no claim to the Iron Throne. So Stannis and Dany have the best claims. But like you said, it's really all about having the power to take/hold the throne.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:32 am to Ace Midnight
yeah. book 1 is hard to get through because besides some important dreams its exactly like season one...
Im alittle less that half the way into book two right now. still boring but stuff starting to get a little different
Im alittle less that half the way into book two right now. still boring but stuff starting to get a little different
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:33 am to BOSCEAUX
The thing is, if he were Robert's bastard, why hide him? Granted, there was the bastard killing spree in book 2/season 2 so that none of them could refute Joffrey's claim, b Robert has plenty of bastards .
All I can say is, as a book reader, the Rhaegar Lyanna theory is more likely because of the time frame of events that occurred during Robert's Rebellion. But being the trickster that GRRM is, Jon may very well be Ned's son.
I really hope I'm not treading in spoiler territory, but the Crackpot thread has a lotttt more speculation about this theory.
. All I can say is, as a book reader, the Rhaegar Lyanna theory is more likely because of the time frame of events that occurred during Robert's Rebellion. But being the trickster that GRRM is, Jon may very well be Ned's son.
I really hope I'm not treading in spoiler territory, but the Crackpot thread has a lotttt more speculation about this theory.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:34 am to TigerNutwhack
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I figured this was the best place to point out that since Gendry is a bastard, he has no claim to the Iron Throne. So Stannis and Dany have the best claims. But like you said, it's really all about having the power to take/hold the throne.
Yeah i almost pointed this out but felt it better to just let it be. this is the perfect spot for that though
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:35 am to ladytiger118
my buddy and i have talked a lot of about this so I know that its still speculation. Hes finished so im sure has been in the crackpot theory. I want to read the crackpot thread sooooo bad. I got to get my arse on the bookreading grind.
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:35 am to TigerNutwhack
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I figured this was the best place to point out that since Gendry is a bastard, he has no claim to the Iron Throne.
That is a good point, but bastards do come into play when there is a vacuum - especially a vacuum of males. And, in this case, if it were proven that Robert left no legitimate male heir, a bastard (how can they do that if he isn't acknowledged?
) would have a better claim than a female. Perhaps not greater than Stannis, but Gendry is a direct line. Dany's claim is a legacy claim, but that family had been displaced - a claim like that would have merit, but only insofar as the people are unhappy with the current crop of faux-Baratheons.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:36 am to Ace Midnight
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I'm not sure all those facts have even been revealed in the books yet
Lyanna is dead though correct?? Robert killed Rhaegar after the "kidnapping" but I don't remember them saying how she died or that she died, just that Rhaegar kidnapped her. I haven't read any of the books all this is coming from the DVD extras.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:37 am to Ace Midnight
just another thing to throw out there that some might not know.
Roberts Grandmother or great grandma something that that is a Targarian
Roberts Grandmother or great grandma something that that is a Targarian
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:38 am to BOSCEAUX
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Lyanna is dead though correct??
Yes
remember in ep1 when robert and crew get to winterfell they go down so robert can pay his respects. she is in the winterfell tombs.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:38 am to ladytiger118
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Robert's bastard, why hide him
I thought it might have something to do with Tywin's hatred of bastards and he knew he was going to end up with Cersei.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:39 am to wish i was tebow
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she is in the winterfell tombs.
Did it say how she died?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:39 am to BOSCEAUX
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Lyanna is dead though correct?? Robert killed Rhaegar after the "kidnapping" but I don't remember them saying how she died or that she died, just that Rhaegar kidnapped her.
Yeah, the other part of my theory is that she died shortly after giving birth to Jon Snow - thus her last words "Promise me, Ned." I think Robert might have known this part of it, but thought the child died, too (or maybe he believed that Rhaegar killed her, intentionally). I think Ned brought the child to a low-born woman in King's Landing, to nurse the child for a few months, or whatever, then brought him back to Winterfell after the war and presented him to Cat as his bastard.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:41 am to BOSCEAUX
Lyanna died in the Tower of Joy in Dorne towards the end of Robert's Rebellion. Ned has a dream in book 1 about it. There's a clip of the GoT book narrator guy reading the dream sequence on YouTube. That dream sequence, which was left out of season 1 of the show, is where a lot of the speculation comes from.
Ned Stark dream sequence
Then you also have this clip from season 1. Ned promises Jon he will tell him who his mother is, and he gets teary-eyed saying it.
Jon and Ned talk about his mother
Then both Bran and Rickon have a dream that Ned died in book 1. Bran said he saw Ned in the crypts of Winterfell, and said he was sad and regretted not talking to Jon.
Ned Stark dream sequence
Then you also have this clip from season 1. Ned promises Jon he will tell him who his mother is, and he gets teary-eyed saying it.
Jon and Ned talk about his mother
Then both Bran and Rickon have a dream that Ned died in book 1. Bran said he saw Ned in the crypts of Winterfell, and said he was sad and regretted not talking to Jon.
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