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re: Game of Thrones S8 E3 "The Long Night." Official Thread

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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:45 pm to
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I would question if you've even read the books. Most book readers have long thought that the battle with the Night King would be over really early on, because that is something that Martin ISN'T that interested in as opposed to the human interactions and machinations.

In fact, and you should probably know this if you are a book reader, he has hinted on multiple occasions that this would be the case, including his infamous comments on the Scouring of the Shire in LOTR.

2 main problems with D/Ds version

1. they fricked up Dorne
2. they killed off everyone via Cersei's firewater nuke
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:45 pm to
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Not saying its terrible, but to me the show was about the impending march of the Others on the Seven Kingdoms.

That's not "to you"......it's because they've been beating us over the head with that idea since the very first episode of the series.

The show has always had the looming threat of the WWs. That was the whole point. Hell, they've spent the last 2 or 3 seasons literally telling us about how that is the only war that matters, and that it was a war for humanity (and that the throne is essentially meaningless).

Now, I get that it is called Game of Thrones. But they have done their very best to make us believe that this war with "winter" was the end all, be all.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:46 pm to
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LAST WEEK the Hodors were defending the wasted episode with 'the walkers are the only thing that matters" and today they're pushing "the walkers don't matter. it's all about the Iron Throne!" narrative. they're suffering from battered wife syndrome



I look at it from Dany and Jon's POV. There was the war with the Night King and if that was lost, nothing else matters. That was the only thing that mattered at that time.

Now that it is over, the focus will be Cersei.

Posted by musick
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:47 pm to
I get the point of that meme but you could just as easily argue 6/8 of the points about Dany could turn her mad Queen.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:47 pm to
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Now, I get that it is called Game of Thrones.

well, to be fair, it's "A Song of Ice and Fire"
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:47 pm to
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Most book readers have long thought that the battle with the Night King would be over really early on,


this is 100% false.
Posted by 50_Tiger
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:47 pm to
Season 7 should have been about the throne.


Season 8 should have been about getting everyone south of the Neck and as close to KL as possible for the Battle of Dawn.

The NK dying should have been the finale.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:48 pm to
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The overall battle plan of not using the walls until most of your fighting force is destroyed wasn’t great.


I do agree that the overall strategy was not great. But, at this point, pretty much all of the great tacticians are dead. I’d say Stannis or Tywin would have absolutely wrecked shite with that sized army and two dragons. This plan was made by Jon, Tyrion, Davos, Jamie, Brienne, Grey Worm, Dany, Tormund, and Jorah. Some good fighters in there, but it’s not surprising that their plan ended up just being “get em”
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:48 pm to
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LAST WEEK the Hodors were defending the wasted episode with 'the walkers are the only thing that matters" and today they're pushing "the walkers don't matter. it's all about the Iron Throne!" narrative. they're suffering from battered wife syndrome

Not true. Or at least not all of us Hodors anyway.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:49 pm to
i wouldn't classify you as a Hodor even though we disagree

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This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:49 pm to
book reader here, and I've never thought that the battle with the NK would be the final battle
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:49 pm to
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well, to be fair, it's "A Song of Ice and Fire"


Not the show.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:50 pm to
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LAST WEEK the Hodors were defending the wasted episode with 'the walkers are the only thing that matters" and today they're pushing "the walkers don't matter. it's all about the Iron Throne!" narrative. they're suffering from battered wife syndrome


even though I’m a Hodor
Posted by 50_Tiger
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:50 pm to
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book reader here, and I've never thought that the battle with the NK would be the final battle


Why would the final two books be title WoW and ADoS?

Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:51 pm to
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this is 100% false.



lolwat

Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:52 pm to
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book reader here, and I've never thought that the battle with the NK would be the final battle



I guess you can have different opinions, I always did so did my other friends who read the books.

I know for a fact they wouldnt get as mistreated as they just were.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:52 pm to
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Why would the final two books be title WoW and ADoS?


because they probably fight the NK a lot in the books
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:52 pm to
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even though I’m a Hodor

these days Hodor means dummy

i'm reading (super slowly before bed) and only on book 3

i do know about a lot of book shite from youtube, so i'm like a Sam or Tyrion (b/c i read a book about a book)
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:52 pm to
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lolwat



every book reader I know didnt think the NK battle would be early on and end lmao. Thats ridiculous.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:53 pm to
Oh
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