re: Game of Thrones S8 E2 "A Knight of Seven Kingdoms." Official Thread

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They think only his father is a Stark but they don’t know who his mother is. For all they know, his mother (again they don’t know she’s the real Stark parent of his) could have had some Valyrian blood.

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Everyone thought she was a low born whore. The other families in Westeros with Valyrian ties are all noble.

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why wasn’t she surprised he was actually able to ride the dragon?

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This is part of the reason it was anticlimactic. Even if she thought he could ride because she gave permission, doesn't mean he would be able to control Rhaegal like he did.

Tyrion saw Jon and he knows more about dragons than anyone. I'm hoping we see a conversation between him and Jon next episode

The only hard "evidence" that they have is the book from the Grand Maester stating that he annulled Rhegar's first marriage and married him to Lyanna. Of course that doesn't indicate that they had a child - unless maybe they find another document where the High Maester did their version of christening him or something.

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Bran's visions are what says Lyanna was voluntarily with him, and that she married him, and that she had a child, and the child is Jon.

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That would be a hard sell to anyone who didn't implicitly trust Bran (and, to a degree, Sam). As far as I know the only living person who may have knowledge is Howland Reed. And the show doesn't seem to be to eager to include him.

I guess they could go with him surviving a huge fire or commanding a dragon or something. Or just kind of punt and have people accept it.

It will be interesting to see what route they go.

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You missed the part where I said “a bit of” Valyrian blood.

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A Wiki of Ice and Fire has traced the Stark bloodlines back pretty far, and there is no Valyrian blood anywhere to be found. They were pretty focused on marrying into Northern families. Lots of Glovers and Karstarks and Royces, etc.

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Actually, I think all of us want Sansa and Dani to get it on.

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Scissor me timbers!

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1BamaRTR

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You're reaching here. There's no way we have enough time to hash out what you're trying to script up.

In the current state, riding a dragon confirms he's Targaryen. That is concrete.

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There's no way we have enough time to hash out what you're trying to script up.

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I’m not scripting up anything. I’m just saying there’s going to have to be a little more. Could be a combination of Bran and Sam. Again wasn’t enough for Dany.

Also doesn’t prove he’s not a bastard. The whole point of showing his parents getting married was to show he wasn’t a bastard. That he’s an actual Targaryen by name as well. Him being exposed as the true heir to going to come into play.

You’re saying there’s not enough time but with the way they’re rushing everything, they’ll make that little more actual evidence happen.

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The only hard "evidence" that they have is the book from the Grand Maester stating that he annulled Rhegar's first marriage and married him to Lyanna

except that doesn't name Lyanna. Go rewatch the scene, it simply says his marriage was annulled and he married another. 

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The scene where Gilly calls him Ragger.
I see what you are saying, but consider that she was reading from a book Sam hadn't transcribed yet. Later, Sam's report to Bran is after he read and transcribed that same book.

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The only hard "evidence" that they have is the book from the Grand Maester stating that he annulled Rhegar's first marriage and married him to Lyanna

except that doesn't name Lyanna. Go rewatch the scene, it simply says his marriage was annulled and he married another. 

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The scene where Gilly calls him Ragger.
I see what you are saying, but consider that she was reading from a book Sam hadn't transcribed yet. Later, Sam's report to Bran is after he read and transcribed that same book.

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And reading that didn't clue Sam in, it was only after Bran said Jon was "Sand", the bastard of Rhaegar and Lyanna born in Dorne.
Bran was certain that was his lineage, and thus his name.

Sam then said whoa wait up, Rhaegar was annulled and remarried. I read that in the maester's personal diary. Hey Bran, can you check and see if Rhaegar married Lyanna?
And that's when Bran went and found the marriage, and saw it. I'd say confirmed it, but it really only confirms it for Bran.

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"...he annulled Rhaegar's marriage to Elia. He wed Rhaegar and Lyanna in a secret ceremony. Is this something you can 'see'?"

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Again, go rewatch the scenes in question.

Sam knew Rhaegar had former marriage annulled, and was secretly wed at the same time.

Bran knew that Jon was Rhaegar and Lyanna's child, and that they loved each other.

Neither knew the other angle, until they discussed it.

Bran said Jon's last name should be Sand, since he was born in Dorne, and that's the Dornish name for bastards. Because at that point, Bran assumed Rhaegar was still married to Elia, and thus Jon was his bastard son.
Sam then chimed in and said, no, he wasn't married to Elia. I have a record saying his marriage was annulled and he secretly married another.
AND THEN, they deduced what that meant, and Sam said it aloud. That's why said asked if he could see that, it was something they both just figured out. If Sam KNEW it was Rhaegar and Lyanna, he wouldn't need Bran to see to confirm it.