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re: Game of Thrones S7E1 "Dragonstone" Maester thread, no dummies allowed

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Posted by DelU249
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well now that she has the iron fleet it's pretty predictable that they're about to lay siege to dragonstone...and it has occurred to me that people don't either appreciate the dragon's capabilities or even believe she has them. just the impression I get from watching.
Posted by Xenophon
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:54 pm to
Why garrison it though? They would be defeated quickly. Or Dany just sails to Dorne instead.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:55 pm to
Are people still mad that the "gingers have souls" guy got a role this episode?
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:56 pm to
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Yea that part doesn't make much sense. Jaime knows where they're likely to land, they know they're coming, but don't send any men to dragonstone...meanwhile the Beatles get sent to the river lands within days of the Frey slaughter

I never realized how close dragonstone was to Kings landing. The beatles might have been easily available since the lannisters had just taken the riverlands. The lannisters might not have been able to feed their men at dragonstone especially since winter is coming and the tyrells who have the most food are now enemies. I loved the scene where Jamie pretty much pointed out how fricked they are and are surrounded by enemies on all sides.
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:56 pm to
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well now that she has the iron fleet it's pretty predictable that they're about to lay siege to dragonstone...and it has occurred to me that people don't either appreciate the dragon's capabilities or even believe she has them. just the impression I get from watching.

Cersei will attack soon because she knows they don't spend the special effects money til the end of the season
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:56 pm to
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I think someone even said she was most likely going to head there. Just feels weak to me.


before the greyjoys re-enter the mix, they don't have the ships, they are waging war across westeros and things are pretty volatile in king's landing.

seems like an easy decision. plus cerseii is horrible at calculating things. she pretty much gave away her power to some cult out of petty personal jealousy, she's a complete moron.
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:56 pm to
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:57 pm to
The last time the White Walkers came was thousands of years prior (before the Wall was built) and it was called the Long Night also because the winter lasted for a long time. Normally for them a winter is just a regular winter but it last years instead of months like it does for us. But this winter is expected to be the longest one in several years.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted by CorporateTiger
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:57 pm to
The last time the WW came is so long ago that all that is left is vague legends. I believe the last time they came during the Long Winter was pre-Wall.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:58 pm to
yeah it's a total waste. in the books she does retake it at great cost. highgarden loses a lot of lives including loras (which she's happy about)

cersei is not tywin but she's convinced she's just as cunning and intelligent. which is why every long game she plays blows up in her face.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:59 pm to
I haven't read the books in a while, have we ever been given any reason why White Walkers come down?
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:59 pm to
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Game of Thrones S7E1 "Dragonstone" Maester thread, no dummies allowed
Why garrison it though? They would be defeated quickly. Or Dany just sails to Dorne instead.


Yes probably, but you would have them on a bunch of boats and if you know they are coming and where they are going, could at least do some major damage. You already have a disadvantage, just seems foolish to let this army with superior weapons land and regroup on the mainland as opposed to setting up an attack for when they arrive.

it doesn't matter in the end, just indicative of somethings that have left a bad taste for me personally in the show.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:00 pm to
yeah there's a big ed sheeran concert in king's landing and they don't want to miss it.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:00 pm to
So I'm guessing all the Northern lords at least somewhat believe Jon regarding the White Walkers. I guess seeing a giant made them realize that some of the old tales were true.
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:01 pm to
Posted by CorporateTiger
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:01 pm to
I discussed some theories a few pages back. The very short answer is that we don't know what the WW's motivation is yet.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:02 pm to
Has Dany had any discussions regarding the whitewalkers?
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:02 pm to
you're talking about believability.

if you think it's stupid to leave it unmanned consider how smart cersei is (not at all)

or

consider that the risk assessment makes leaving it unmanned an easy call.

now if wildfire were safe to transport (and it's not) I would consider blowing it to high hell so that she has no place to stage her invasion.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:04 pm to
the northern people are more apt to believe old legends because it is regional history. they believe him but I don't think it is as tough a sell as it is in the south.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 4:05 pm
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:05 pm to
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Has Dany had any discussions regarding the whitewalkers?


Probably not. The only person in her party that would have any knowledge of how the north is now is tyrion who was there before shite hit the fan.
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