re: Game of Thrones S6:E2 "Home" BOOK READERS

Ramsey is starting to be an evil caricature. Simply not as viscerally unlikable as Joffrey, which is a credit to the acting skills of the Joffrey actor in some part.

I would be perfectly happy if they wrapped up Ramsay pretty quickly. I think we have explored everything he really brings to the show.

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Ramsey is starting to be an evil caricature. Simply not as viscerally unlikable as Joffrey, which is a credit to the acting skills of the Joffrey actor in some part.

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Joffrey just had that punchable blonde hair bratty kid face.

Book Ramsay is much more pragmatic and calculating than show Ramsay but still evil as frick.

Show Ramsay is a mad dog.

Book Ramsay would have never killed Roose on impulse like that. He would have poisoned him in his sleep without witnesses.

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I think that Ramsay is also a caricature in the books as well. Anything evil that passes through GRRM's head Ramsay has done. He made Jeyne frick a dog and Theon to eat out his bride for god's sake. Really Ramsay is just an evil Jon Snow when you boil it down, and I doubt it took GRRM much time to come up with his character.

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Kind of my point. In the book, he's evil but not cunning like on the show. He does crazy things like you listed above but none of them are in furtherance of a larger goal. He's basically Roose's attack dog. The show has him as the orchestrator of the movement to takeover the North.

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What game in the show is Little Finger playing?

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He's trying to gain as much power as possible. He is currently Lord of Harrenhal, currently ruling the Vale, and has his sights set currently on the North. I think he's just trying to see how much power he can amass for no other reason than it is what he does.

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His character in the books is so much better. He's a legit psychopath but he's on Roose's leash. Roose is the manipulative brains behind the operation, not Ramsey. The show has turned Ramsey into the Joker from Batman.

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All true. I enjoyed the book chapters during the siege of Winterfell, with Abel and his washerwomen doing work, Wyman Manderly doing his thing, and the Boltons being the hunted, not the hunters.

Good times...

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He's trying to gain as much power as possible. He is currently Lord of Harrenhal, currently ruling the Vale, and has his sights set currently on the North. I think he's just trying to see how much power he can amass for no other reason than it is what he does.

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I'm starting to see the Stalin parallels with LF. During the post Revolutionary period, Stalin watched while Trotsky and the others snapped up the prestige jobs. He took the General Secretary job which no one wanted. Initially it was a lot of work for little thanks. By the time Lenin got sick and died, Stalin had been in the position of appointing people, so he had all his folks in place when the time came to strike.

Whether or not it is successful, that appears to be LF's broad template.

Yep. But he still has the Tyrells and could focus his plots to the south perhaps.

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With the GNC, it's usually Jon that takes control of the North, does Little Finger think he can control Jon? I feel like Little Finger overplayed his hand in the North. In the book he keeps Sansa with him which was smart. I feel like the show has painted him into a corner that kind of makes him dead in the water.

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No. I can't imagine that LF wouldn't kill Jon the first chance he gets. He's a massive threat to him, and from an outsider seems like a far more competent version of Ned Stark.

Plus he directly executed Janos Slynt, one of the few who has knowledge on LF's direct betrayal of Ned. That can't sit well with him, and LF should rightfully think he killed him in revenge of his father.