re: Game of Thrones S6:E1 "The Red Woman" BOOK READERS

I think that The Bolton army will be winning the Battle of the Bastards because of numbers, but with Jon beating Ramsay one on one. Then Littlefinger will ride in and be the difference for the Starks/Wildlings. Then Littlefinger will talk his way out of Sansa telling him to take a hike. Jon will try to convince Littlefinger about the coming army of the dead, but he won't believe him. Littlefinger will probably want to hunker down in the north, and wait out winter, or get ready for a Lannister assault. So Sansa will have to make the decision to try and hole up in Winterfell and try to let the Starks lick their wounds, or follow Jon into another war against legendary creatures that she doesn't even know if she believes in.

At least, I could see it go down like that.

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I think that The Bolton army will be winning the Battle of the Bastards because of numbers, but with Jon beating Ramsay one on one. Then Littlefinger will ride in and be the difference for the Starks/Wildlings. Then Littlefinger will talk his way out of Sansa telling him to take a hike. Jon will try to convince Littlefinger about the coming army of the dead, but he won't believe him. Littlefinger will probably want to hunker down in the north, and wait out winter, or get ready for a Lannister assault. So Sansa will have to make the decision to try and hole up in Winterfell and try to let the Starks lick their wounds, or follow Jon into another war against legendary creatures that she doesn't even know if she believes in.

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No. The Lannisters are totally fricked really, and they would not assault the North in Winter. LF would just wade it out and use his mass Vale and Braavosi connections to feed the North.

But there's one major thing you're not taking into an account why LF would never have a word with Jon Snow if he could help it: he needs Jon Snow dead. The fact of the matter is LF does not believe in the Others and having Sansa's half brother and Ned Stark's son ruling his own little kingdom to the north would not sit well with him.

As LF should see it, he knows Jon executed his right hand man who directly betrayed Ned Stark, not to mention there are several others up there who once worked for LF who I'm sure were part of the "Traitor" conspiracy if they weren't already dead. Jon also joined with the Wildlings, then got elected Lord Commander and allowed the Wildlings into Westeros.

That is a degree of Magnificent Bastardry that would certainly frighten LF. He'd fear was a far more competent version of his father, and may even know that he was directly behind his father's death through Janos Slynt. He needs Jon Snow dead, and after taking out the Boltons, that is why I think he will directly attack Jon's army.

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I would think that Little Finger needs the Boltons dead. I bet he kills the Boltons and then tries to marry Sansa.

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He needs them dead as well, but I think Jon scares LF much more than Ramsay does.

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I just figured he would think Jon is stuck up at the wall, and not a threat anymore.

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As I said looking at Jon's history from LF's perspective, Jon has an incredible history of manipulation. At around 20, he's manipulated his way to the top far more quickly than just about any non-highborn. That would scare the shite out of LF, thinking he'd send someone to Winterfell to get his sister out of his clutches.

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Littlefinger might know about Bran and Rickon still being alive as well.

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I doubt LF knows this due to his sheer arrogance and his dependency on Sansa being the only living Stark. His plan will come crashing down, but I think he is ignorant on these factors.

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LF needs Sansa, and needs her to be willing to go along with his plot (if not outright marry him), not forced into it. So because of that, LF will have to play nice with Jon. There is no way she separates from Jon once she meets up with him. And she sure won't stand for LF to attack Jon. So LF will be forced to play along with their reunion, but will try his damnedest to convince her to not go with Jon once he heads out to gather more forces for the coming war with the undead that LF won't believe is real.

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Well, he's already sold her to the Boltons. I can't imagine that Sansa and LF will ever be on good terms again in the show after that.

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Well, he's already sold her to the Boltons. I can't imagine that Sansa and LF will ever be on good terms again in the show after that.

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Taking the vales army to overthrow the Boltons was his plan the entire time imo

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Taking the vales army to overthrow the Boltons was his plan the entire time imo

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Of course it was. Hence the deal he made with Cersei after he pawned Sansa off on the Boltons.

Sansa is going to end up killing one of the Boltons. I would like to see her have Ramsay flayed.

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See, I disagree. While I think she'll despise him for it, I think LF will be able to convince her that her marrying Ramsay was the only way for her to regain the north. Plus I think LF's Vale forces will swoop in and save the Starks/Wildlings. So she'll play the game, even if she now hates LF.

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Well, LF wants to regain the North, but tell me, is that what Sansa wants? I honestly don't think so. She doesn't want to regain the North, she wants to regain her family, and LF is the man who has destroyed it and her innocence. I think she'll figure that out this season.

I'm curious as to how much Bran will interfere with things. He'll know about LF before anyone else, but I'm not sure how he will react.