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Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:32 am to jmarto1
Everyone is constrained by a budget. Take the largest company in the world and they are still constrained by a budget.
GoT may be the biggest thing on TV, but it also requires exotic locales ($), elaborate costuming (that shite ain't cheap at all), large amounts of props (even prop swords, shields, and armor cost a ton), a larger than normal cast, and some significant cgi.
This isn't a sitcom that can be filmed on a sound stage by 7 actors using a stock wardrobe
GoT may be the biggest thing on TV, but it also requires exotic locales ($), elaborate costuming (that shite ain't cheap at all), large amounts of props (even prop swords, shields, and armor cost a ton), a larger than normal cast, and some significant cgi.
This isn't a sitcom that can be filmed on a sound stage by 7 actors using a stock wardrobe
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:35 am to jmarto1
Episode 9 cost 30 million alone
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:43 am to MSH
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Did you think HBO gave them a blank check to make the show? You do realize HBO wants to make money on this show, right? That's where a budget comes into play.
Absolutely not. I know how business works and you guys are taking this to the extreme. The comments here are leading me to believe they couldn't have the Blackfish killed on screen due to budget. They can't do everything they want, but it doesn't mean they need to half arse it either.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:46 am to Mrtommorrow1987
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The dragons wern't growing on the chains they should be growing now. When they are released from the period they will be near the size of Drogon.
This alone was very important. While they won't be as large as Drogon, he's been growing free from chains for a while now, they needed to increase in size so they can be effective in Westeros.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:47 am to Bamatab
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Well, we haven't seen the conclusion of the Master's seige. I mean, all we have so far is Dany returning. We may even get a full on seige in episode 10 for all we know. I could see Dany & crew with the unsullied holding out, and then the Dothraki, the Iron Born, and all 3 dragons converging at once and obliterating the Master's.
You mean she is going to fight a group of people she has already beaten once only to come out with a bigger fighting force and a General Patton speech again? I feel like we've seen this before...So now she'll cross not just with Unsullied, Dothraki, and the Second Sons but with all the Harpy from Yunkai, Slavers Bay, Astapor, and Mereen. She better find a way to patch things up between Euron and his brother's kids because she's going to need more boats.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:48 am to jmarto1
I have been as critical of the off-screen deaths as anyone, but that isn't budget related.
D&D said they didn't have Brienne kill Stannis because it would be gratuitous which I think is BS, but her chopping his head one time isn't a budget thing.
Neither is getting 4 guys to do a single fight scene for Blackfish.
D&D said they didn't have Brienne kill Stannis because it would be gratuitous which I think is BS, but her chopping his head one time isn't a budget thing.
Neither is getting 4 guys to do a single fight scene for Blackfish.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:53 am to jmarto1
quote:Yeah, at this point, I'm not sure I really buy that. Maybe in the beginning, this was justified, but the show has generated a mountain of revenue over the last few years. Adding a few more expensive sequences should not be a problem, especially seeing as how those episodes have the highest ratings spikes.
The biggest show on TV is handcuffed by a budget? That's terrible.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:58 am to blueboy
Agreed
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:04 am to blueboy
To be honest, I'm not really upset with Blackfish dying off screen.
If anything, it was his lack of reasoning in dying at all. I can see him turning down Brienne's first offer if, for no other reason than he didn't know he could trust Jamie not to slaughter his entire force once he left the castle (unless maybe Jamie had given him some hostages - couple of the top Freys on the scene and a high ranking Lannister vassal or two if available). But charging in at the end after Edmure had come in and the garrison was clearly going to support him was just stupid. At that point he could do absolutely no good. Better to live and fight another day - for Sansa or as a guerilla fighter in the Riverlands.
I think really this was just a part of the culling down of the cast in preparation for the end game.
I would kind of like to see them give him a Tully burial but I doubt they will. Besides there is no one to shoot the flaming arrow.
If anything, it was his lack of reasoning in dying at all. I can see him turning down Brienne's first offer if, for no other reason than he didn't know he could trust Jamie not to slaughter his entire force once he left the castle (unless maybe Jamie had given him some hostages - couple of the top Freys on the scene and a high ranking Lannister vassal or two if available). But charging in at the end after Edmure had come in and the garrison was clearly going to support him was just stupid. At that point he could do absolutely no good. Better to live and fight another day - for Sansa or as a guerilla fighter in the Riverlands.
I think really this was just a part of the culling down of the cast in preparation for the end game.
I would kind of like to see them give him a Tully burial but I doubt they will. Besides there is no one to shoot the flaming arrow.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:04 am to jmarto1
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The comments here are leading me to believe they couldn't have the Blackfish killed on screen due to budget.
If folks are implying this, then IDK. The budget concerns should revolve around Wun Wun, Ghost, and the dragons. People are saying Wun Wun and Ghost will be unfortunate deaths in Ep 9 to avoid spending money to CGI them in the future.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:11 am to MSH
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The comments here are leading me to believe they couldn't have the Blackfish killed on screen due to budget.
Yeah I don't buy this at all. Something I haven't seen mentioned is Blackfish's lines before he went to his death. Something along the lines of "I haven't had a proper swordfight in years, I expect I'll make a mockery of myself." That right there tells me they didn't need to spend any extra money on some seasoned swordfighting stuntman. Just use Clive Russell for that and who cares if he looks like Bronn in Dorne during season 5. Quick death, they could've even done it using shadows on the wall.
That's the only off-screen death I don't care for.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:02 am to CorporateTiger
Very true. The keys to cheap film making are 1) Few Locations 2) Few Speaking Parts 3) Above the line participants get back end heavy deals.
1 and 2 don't work for GOT. That leaves only 1 area to squeeze.
1 and 2 don't work for GOT. That leaves only 1 area to squeeze.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:09 am to Methuselah
quote:He could have been a very useful military commander for Jon in the fight against the Boltons. That's true.
If anything, it was his lack of reasoning in dying at all. I can see him turning down Brienne's first offer if, for no other reason than he didn't know he could trust Jamie not to slaughter his entire force once he left the castle
But he was definitely not going to be allowed to live after any surrender terms. He had taken the castle and killed a lot of Freys and they weren't going to let him live. Even Jaime implies that he is doomed when he offers to spare Blackfish's men, but does not include Blackfish in that statement.
I have no problem with the offscreen deaths. His may have been the result of dramatic choice, time constraints or the possibility that the actor playing Brynden just wasn't any good at fight choreography.
Plus, the entertainment I get from people who think he's still alive as a result is a bonus.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:12 am to Bamatab
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I think I read where they had a $10 mil an episode budget this season.
And there were definitely a few episodes this season that were way under budget. They should have plenty of cash to go balls to the wall in the last 2 episodes.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:18 am to Bamatab
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:26 am to blueboy
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I have no problem with the offscreen deaths.
Ser Jorah's offscreen death will be appropriate, no?
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:33 am to CadesCove
I really don't know where they're going to go with that. If they planned an offscreen death, they may as well have just had a tearful goodbye with Dany, instead of the scene in which she orders him to find a cure. It would have been much better TV drama. Therefore, I think we'll see him again.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:34 am to MSH
At this point I've wondered why they even have the dire wolves at all.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:43 am to Byron Bojangles III
Why does the waif keep pumping her arms and legs like she is "running" while she is jumping down from the top of the wall? Absurd
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