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re: Game of Thrones S6 E8 "No One" (Bookreader Thread) NO SPOILERS
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:07 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:07 am to Ace Midnight
I don't know if I can get behind him murdering Cersei.
I just can't see it happening, even if she murders their son.
He would never harm her.
I just can't see it happening, even if she murders their son.
He would never harm her.
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:08 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Yeah but for somebody that's gonna be pivotal (maybe the most important piece of the puzzle) for the war against the wights, you'd think he'd have a more prominent roll in the show than just one episode every few weeks.
In all honesty, his story is immensely more interesting and important than Arya's. Arya could die and I don't really think anything would change. Bran dies and the humans might lose the war against the NK.
Bran is in the territory now that he his certainly the key to this entire saga. You have to keep him sparse because everything he's involved in from now on is certainly end game stuff. The more they show of Bran the quicker this whole thing gets to a conclusion. There's a reason they skipped his arc for an entire season.
Especially now with Benjen being with him. Benjen knows that R+L=J and as soon as that is revealed the show goes into high gear.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 10:25 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:09 am to CBandits82
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He would never harm her.
It is easy to imagine from the Jaime POV chapters in the books, IMHO.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:10 am to Salmon
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why are we even talking about her wearing armor when no one mentioned armor? she wasn't wearing armor
I was pointing out that your comment about "well she didn't account for her possibly slitting her throat" is kind of silly when even actual body armor doesn't account for every possibility. It has holes. And Arya may have had padding (she looked bulkier) and it was padding on a whim.
But let's agree to disagree. You're obviously going to try to nitpick things out of context so, I'd rather not go there.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:10 am to LSU Coyote
Or Arya went to Lady Crane because that is the only person she had any connection to in the city.
Also, the KL stuff was well done. You know dang well the trial by combat option was taken off the table after the Mountain ripped that Sparrows head off. I loved the look on those Sparrows faces when that happened. Tommen just gave his mother a death sentence. I really hate that little spineless prick, probably more than Joffrey right now. It was fun to hate Joffrey, but Tommen is just so freaking gullible and just a puppet and I freaking hate the Sparrows.
Also, the KL stuff was well done. You know dang well the trial by combat option was taken off the table after the Mountain ripped that Sparrows head off. I loved the look on those Sparrows faces when that happened. Tommen just gave his mother a death sentence. I really hate that little spineless prick, probably more than Joffrey right now. It was fun to hate Joffrey, but Tommen is just so freaking gullible and just a puppet and I freaking hate the Sparrows.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:12 am to musick
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Especially now with Benjen being with him. Benjen knows that R+L=J and as soon as that is revealed the show goes into high gear.
He does?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:12 am to BluegrassBelle
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I was pointing out that your comment about "well she didn't account for her possibly slitting her throat" is kind of silly when even actual body armor doesn't account for every possibility.
right...the body armor "theory" is silly
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You're obviously going to try to nitpick things out of context so, I'd rather not go there.
I don't think I'm nitpicking at all
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:12 am to Linkovich
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Sidebar: A question about the Wildfire revelation. Didn't Tyrion locate the wildfire previously for the battle on the bay? I would assume he used quite a bit of it already or at least would have removed the rest of it from under the city.
From my understanding he found some caches but some of it was incapable of being moved because of its volatility. Hence why they had to produce fresh caches.
It's not a stretch to assume with Qyburn's direction that they made more or they found some buried beneath the Sept that would serve as useful even if it can't be moved.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:16 am to BluegrassBelle
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From my understanding he found some caches but some of it was incapable of being moved because of its volatility.
Probably, I just don't remember them not being able to move some of it.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:17 am to Salmon
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:18 am to BluegrassBelle
After Jaime's as speech about a mother's love their is no way Cersei kills Tommen to save her own hide. She'd die before harming him. It has to be that she unleashes wildfire to kill the Sparrows and Tommen ends up an unintended casualty as a result. This drives Cersei insane and leads to somebody putting her out of her misery.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:18 am to BluegrassBelle
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I was pointing out that your comment about "well she didn't account for her possibly slitting her throat" is kind of silly when even actual body armor doesn't account for every possibility. It has holes. And Arya may have had padding (she looked bulkier) and it was padding on a whim.
But let's agree to disagree. You're obviously going to try to nitpick things out of context so, I'd rather not go there.
It seems fairly obvious that you are both correct: there was some method to the madness that was Arya's plan, but the writing was still shitty.
They ended up where Arya wanted them to have their final battle, thus a plan was followed. On the other hand, Arya DID have some serious wounds which required a knowledgeable nurse, bandages and milk of the poppy. If you have that much damage to your mid-section, you are not going to be jumping off buildings and rolling down 1,000 flights of stairs in 24 hours. That is absurd.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:21 am to Carson123987
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i just cant see tommen being killed by cersei
I was really hoping that the Tommen would volunteer to represent the faith in the trial by combat against cersei
it would be the mountain vs tommen
cersei would obviously know that there's no way tommen could beat the mountain
so it would be either win the trial by combat and go free, but lose your only child, or forfeit the trial by combat and lose your freedom
oh well.
i am disappoint
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:21 am to Ace Midnight
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It is easy to imagine from the Jaime POV chapters in the books, IMHO.
very true.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:22 am to SoDakHawk
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I really hate that little spineless prick, probably more than Joffrey right now. It was fun to hate Joffrey, but Tommen is just so freaking gullible and just a puppet and I freaking hate the Sparrows.
You can't even give him the excuse of putting the pussy on a pedestal.
As for Arya...I like where the story ended up; however, I agree it was a damned sloppy and lazy way to get there. Now, time warp her arse to Westeros and let's start striking some names off that list!!!!!!
I fully expect Cersi to lose her shite and unleash the Wildfire. I anticipate she will underestimate it's power (perhaps because her "septon" will have been killed by the birds) and in thinking she's only going to be taking out the Great Sept, she will burn the entire Keep down, killing Tommen and tens of thousands of others.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:23 am to MLSter
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she could have showed up to the trail only to be told there is no more trial by combat. but instead they took time form arya and showed that this episode
I get your point but you are assuming too much here. The trial by combat ban effectively forces her arc in a different direction. She most likely won't make it to trial now, bc that's where the story goes.
The rumor (which everyone is assuming is wildfire) IMO is the fact that Gendry exists. He's still out there and Tommen's nonsense might force her hand to admit the incest and just bring down KL as a whole. She eventually told Tywin about it. At that point I could see her setting it on fire and fleeing to CR.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:24 am to musick
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:25 am to Ace Midnight
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He would never harm her
He has great distain for her at this point, but not reflected on the show.
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It is easy to imagine from the Jaime POV chapters in the books, IMHO
POV characters are tricky. Sometimes a character will be in denial, delusional and/or has yet to be out to the test. Their thoughts and outlook are not always accurate of their true beliefs.
So if you go by how others view Ser Jaime, he is loyal to himself in the end. Hence him being in love with someone who looks and acts just like himself.
What Jaime's redemption arc shows is him loyalties switching from "loyal to himself" to "loyal to morality".
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 10:29 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:26 am to LSU Coyote
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He does?
One of the last thing he tells Jon before leaving for the wall is "The next time I see you I'll tell you all about your mother"
Was that just a throw away line? You don't think Ned confided in his own brother about Jon?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:27 am to musick
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At that point I could see her setting it on fire and fleeing to CR.
There is plenty in the source material to suggest she is capable of this. I don't know if Tommen's very likely upcoming death will be the catalyst or the result, but her rage will be checked only by those capable of taking her and Qyburn into custody (past the Mountain). He feels obligated to her. How far he is willing to go at her side is another question that must be answered. I assume the Mountain will have to be hacked to pieces (or equivalent) to get to Cersei. Maybe Jaime is the only one who can do it (on the show) and, perhaps, stop her.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 10:28 am
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