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re: Game of Thrones S6 E8 "No One" (Bookreader Thread) NO SPOILERS
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:48 am to LSU Coyote
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:48 am to LSU Coyote
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She doesn't murder those who don't deserve it and/or good people.
she just gets other people to murder them
such honor, Ned would be proud
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:49 am to Linkovich
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He is still in there. There was a scene with Jaime where he asks if the Mountain was still in there and he gave the sharp look.
I recall that scene and that is support for a glimmer of Gregor.
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I agree he is Cersei's rage personified but rage isn't something by definition that's controlled when it is turned on.
She's always seething, but she feels chastened since her imprisonment and walk. In fact, you can see it in the scene with the Queen of Thorns - she has no rebuttal because Lady Tyrell is 100% right - that is all Cersei's fault. So, Cersei has obviously set up limits for herself until she regains some kind of control. That self-imposed restraint is keeping the Mountain in check.
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Who wasn't expecting him to start destroying sparrows at that point?
I kind of saw where they were going when they let the sparrow strike first. The rest backed off and he calmly deleted that dude. It was for shock and it was effective. There will be no more attempts to take Cersei by force with him present. I do suspect the High Sparrow tries to get Tommen to fire/reassign him and that could be the catalyst for some bad, bad tidings for the Lannisters.
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I also have issue with Qyburn and Cersei both having control. At some point her wishes might run counter to his. If so, who ultimately controls him?
That's an excellent question. Thus far, we usually see the 3 of them, but occasionally it is just Cersei and the Mountain. I suspect I may cause a pause in the action, but Cersei's will overrides Qyburn. Whether Qyburn accedes to it or loses a battle of wills is another question.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:51 am to Carson123987
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i just cant see tommen being killed by cersei
Well, he did just put his mother directly in front of the High Septon without a warrior. But, I agree. I don't think it will be Cersei yet I think everyone agrees Tommen is going to die? Puts Cersei one more step closer to madness, like burn it to the ground type of madness. Que Jaime...
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:52 am to BluegrassBelle
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I mean why does anyone wear body armor/protection? Does it cover every single available area?
why are we even talking about her wearing armor when no one mentioned armor? she wasn't wearing armor
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It made sense
none of it made sense, as illustrated numerous times to you already
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:53 am to Ace Midnight
Anyone else disappointed at Jamie almost completing his transformation to choch-bag again?
His redemption arc was awesome to me in the show and books, bummer he is gonna piss it all away for Cersie.
His redemption arc was awesome to me in the show and books, bummer he is gonna piss it all away for Cersie.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:53 am to Salmon
My final thoughts are that Arya had a plan but it didn't go exactly as planned. Her hiring a ship and gallivanting around town was part of the plan to draw out the Waif. I don't think Arya planned on getting gutted though. If that wasn't part of some plan then it was stupid writing for her to just be strolling around.
After gutted she had to think on the fly. The only person she had any connection with was Lady Crane, so that's where she went for help. I don't think she intended for Lady Crane to die.
When the Waif showed up she had to improvise, hence drawing her to her dark place where she has Needle hidden. I think that was the plan all along, to get the Waif in that dark room. Getting there was a mess though and not very believable. I think everything would have been fine if she had suffered some other wound where she needed help but could still believably live but getting gutted the way she did made it hard to believe she could be involved in a chase around town ala Jason Bourne.
For disclosure, I did not believe that was Arya on the bridge. I thought something had to be up because there was no way Arya would be that stupid to stroll through the streets like that. Had to be a plan.
I also liked the theories that it was Jaqen being a fArya. Or that there is no Waif, that Arya was battling her split personality.
A split persona would be a nice twist but I think it would be hard to pull off on camera without really messing up the Hodors. I think they've had to dumb down the show because of the mass appeal so now we get an action filled chase scene instead of good, deep writing and acting.
After gutted she had to think on the fly. The only person she had any connection with was Lady Crane, so that's where she went for help. I don't think she intended for Lady Crane to die.
When the Waif showed up she had to improvise, hence drawing her to her dark place where she has Needle hidden. I think that was the plan all along, to get the Waif in that dark room. Getting there was a mess though and not very believable. I think everything would have been fine if she had suffered some other wound where she needed help but could still believably live but getting gutted the way she did made it hard to believe she could be involved in a chase around town ala Jason Bourne.
For disclosure, I did not believe that was Arya on the bridge. I thought something had to be up because there was no way Arya would be that stupid to stroll through the streets like that. Had to be a plan.
I also liked the theories that it was Jaqen being a fArya. Or that there is no Waif, that Arya was battling her split personality.
A split persona would be a nice twist but I think it would be hard to pull off on camera without really messing up the Hodors. I think they've had to dumb down the show because of the mass appeal so now we get an action filled chase scene instead of good, deep writing and acting.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:53 am to Salmon
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she just gets other people to murder them
such honor, Ned would be proud
She was dead either way. That death was not on her.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:55 am to CBandits82
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His redemption arc was awesome to me in the show and books, bummer he is gonna piss it all away for Cersie
Actually feel like they murdered his arc in the show.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:55 am to LSU Coyote
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That death was not on her.
that death was absolutely on her if your theory is correct
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:56 am to LSU Coyote
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Actually feel like they murdered his arc in the show.
You're right, they really did.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:57 am to CBandits82
they have fricked up Jamie so far, but I feel like they are setting up Cersei doing something stupid with the wildfire and Jamie killing her
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:58 am to Mr. Wayne
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,but this is a world with dragons and individuals walking around that were killed a few times
While this is true, we also have 2 major characters who
a) got killed by a single boar gash
and
b) died by a single festering arakh wound that was made by pressing it against his shoulder
Arya was basically ripped open at her gut (a basically mortal wound) and was Assassin's Creeding throughout Bravos less than 24 hours later.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:59 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:02 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Oh I know she died, but since we didnt see how, maybe she tripped in the dark room and had a mortal fall.
Point was, off screen deaths are getting par for the course in this show and I dont know why. And we are talking major characters, because they don't seem to have any issues with merking extras in full gory detail.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 10:02 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:04 am to Salmon
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that death was absolutely on her if your theory is correct
How? My theory doesn't support this.
Lady Crane's life was already owned. Arya can not save a life once its owned, it will be on the wall either way as stated by Jacquen.
She couldnt do but needed that life to pay half the debt owned. So she makes sure Lady Crane and the Wiaf cross paths.
Then it is taking care of the next life owned. Leading us to a situation set up by Arya which gave some advantage, complete darkness.
This way she can now leave Bravo's without looking over her shoulder the debt has been paid in full.
It's dumb, stupid, silly, etc.. but you can connect dots.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 10:06 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:05 am to CBandits82
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His redemption arc was awesome to me in the show and books, bummer he is gonna piss it all away for Cersie.
To be fair, the River Run story on the show is reasonably consistent with what happened in the books - at least up until the point the manhunt for Blackfish started. His attitude towards the Freys, his treatment of Edmure - again, fairly consistent - of course in the books, he is much less likely to "rush" back to Cersei and dismisses the, I need you/I love you message she sent from her cell. He is still incensed by the Kettleblack/Moon Boy statements.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:06 am to Ace Midnight
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That's an excellent question. Thus far, we usually see the 3 of them, but occasionally it is just Cersei and the Mountain. I suspect I may cause a pause in the action, but Cersei's will overrides Qyburn. Whether Qyburn accedes to it or loses a battle of wills is another question.
I doubt this is an avenue that will ever be explored. Qyburn will be loyal to the end but it's fun to kick around. I also wonder if the Strong is fully functional or does he require "maintenance" from Qyburn.
Sidebar: A question about the Wildfire revelation. Didn't Tyrion locate the wildfire previously for the battle on the bay? I would assume he used quite a bit of it already or at least would have removed the rest of it from under the city.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:07 am to Ace Midnight
I don't know if I can get behind him murdering Cersei.
I just can't see it happening, even if she murders their son.
He would never harm her.
I just can't see it happening, even if she murders their son.
He would never harm her.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:08 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Yeah but for somebody that's gonna be pivotal (maybe the most important piece of the puzzle) for the war against the wights, you'd think he'd have a more prominent roll in the show than just one episode every few weeks.
In all honesty, his story is immensely more interesting and important than Arya's. Arya could die and I don't really think anything would change. Bran dies and the humans might lose the war against the NK.
Bran is in the territory now that he his certainly the key to this entire saga. You have to keep him sparse because everything he's involved in from now on is certainly end game stuff. The more they show of Bran the quicker this whole thing gets to a conclusion. There's a reason they skipped his arc for an entire season.
Especially now with Benjen being with him. Benjen knows that R+L=J and as soon as that is revealed the show goes into high gear.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 10:25 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:09 am to CBandits82
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He would never harm her.
It is easy to imagine from the Jaime POV chapters in the books, IMHO.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:10 am to Salmon
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why are we even talking about her wearing armor when no one mentioned armor? she wasn't wearing armor
I was pointing out that your comment about "well she didn't account for her possibly slitting her throat" is kind of silly when even actual body armor doesn't account for every possibility. It has holes. And Arya may have had padding (she looked bulkier) and it was padding on a whim.
But let's agree to disagree. You're obviously going to try to nitpick things out of context so, I'd rather not go there.
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