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re: Game Of Thrones S5:E10 "Mother's Mercy" BOOK READER THREAD

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Posted by Henry Jones Jr
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:45 pm to
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They have killed people off screen.

That they have. But they've also "killed people off screen" before only to have them show back up because they weren't actually killed. It has gone both ways.
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:45 pm to
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But what does it do? It's just Stannis is dead and nothing else. Unless D&D or GRRM come out and directly say that Stannis is dead, I'm going with him being alive. I doubt he's dead.

Did you not see Mel's countenance change the minute that the solders told Stannis that half his army deserted him. She knew at that moment that she was wrong about Stannis, and so did he. His punishment was knowing that he killed his family for absolutely nothing. He was a false usurper, and they both knew it. I think he marched to his death, and Brienne got her justice.
This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 9:47 pm
Posted by fouldeliverer
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:45 pm to
Why not give fans satisfaction of seeing that daughter burner die if he's really dead?
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:46 pm to
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Why not give fans satisfaction of seeing that daughter burner die if he's really dead?


No one gets the death they deserve


Except Trant
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:46 pm to
I'll grant you he could end up "undead" but...

he dead.

We the readers are not fortuitous enough to have Brienne eliminated yet.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:46 pm to
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They have killed people off screen.


Aside from Ned (which was a classy death), name the major character killed off screen. Can't think of any on the top of my head.
Posted by FuddSandersJr
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:47 pm to
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“I'm quite dead,” he says with a flourish of his black fur cape. “It's over for Jon Snow — at the very least, he gets to join his family and kin and leave this terrible world behind.”

Still not sure how much this means
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:47 pm to
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Why not give fans satisfaction of seeing that daughter burner die if he's really dead?

That's my thinking. They're going to kill Stannis off screen but let him burn his daughter on screen? LOGIC!
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:47 pm to
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I'm not saying Stannis is definitely dead or alive. There's more evidence that Jon Snow is dead than Stannis is though



Well, Jon Snow is dead, but I think he's going to be revived.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:47 pm to
Yeah, but how often do we actually see people get their justice in this series. Especially in the show medium.

It'd be far worse for his soul to live. A clean death, an honorable death by an honorable woman seems too.....good.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:47 pm to
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Aside from Ned


Real convenient for your argument
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:47 pm to
benjen and Syrio
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:48 pm to
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“I'm quite dead,” he says with a flourish of his black fur cape. “It's over for Jon Snow — at the very least, he gets to join his family and kin and leave this terrible world behind.”

Please let this be true.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:48 pm to
I'm not buying it for a second
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:48 pm to
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benjen

Not confirmed dead by Martin or any of the show writers
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Syrio

Confirmed dead by Martin

The Syrio argument is dumb.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:50 pm to
Joffery got a better than he deserved death. By the same token, many good characters received horrible fates... Jojen, Shireen, Ned, Rob, Jon.

Deserve really has nothing to do with it in westeros
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
77120 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:50 pm to
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I'm not buying it for a second

Ever since I found out about Rhaegar and Lyanna being his parents "allegedly" I've hated him and them. They let the whole realm bleed because they were "in love" instead of letting her marry Robert. The Targaryens would still be around, all of the Starks would still be alive and the realm would be at peace had those two assholes not run away together.

THAT is why I hate Jon Snow and never want to see him become anything significant. I want him to just be a dirty bastard who died at the wall.
This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 9:51 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:50 pm to
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Did you not see Mel's countenance change the minute that the solders told Stannis that half his army deserted him. She knew at that moment that she was wrong about Stannis, and so did he.


Well, so? Just because he is not Azor Ahai doesn't mean he's dead. Stannis has become just downright wicked in context of the universe.

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His punishment was knowing that he killed his family for absolutely nothing. He was a false usurper, and they both knew it. I think he marched to his death, and Brienne got her justice.


Stannis having a death like that doesn't really matter. I don't want him to be temporarily sad and defeated, I want him eternally damned for what he did. Stannis deserves the worst death in the series, not a clean one Brienne provides.
Posted by FuddSandersJr
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:50 pm to
I think if Jon Snow is resurrected, he will go by another name from that point forward.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116167 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:51 pm to
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Ever since I found out about Rhaegar and Lyanna being his parents "allegedly" I've hated him and them. They let the whole realm bleed because they were "in love" instead of letting her marry Robert. The Targaryens would still be around, all of the Starks would still be alive and the realm would be at peace had those two assholes not run away together. THAT is why I hate Jon Snow and never want to see him become anything significant.


I hate you and I never want to see you become anything significant
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