re: From Season 3 Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

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I'm worried the writers are going to have way too much to answer without it being a dumb ending.

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I think they already have everything planned out for the ending. This is a great show that would do so much better on Amazon vs MGM+. Prime and MGM+ must have some sort agreement, because they are always swapping shows and movies.

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I guess I should have expected the ambulance and the tree in the road, but I wasn’t. The next episode should be interesting when they roll into town.

We know from the trailer that the parademics make it to the town (and probably quickly die?), my question is what about Victor’s dad? I don’t think this is the case because we did see him interact with others, but what if he was a vision the town created? Such as the boy in white, the girls, the people Jade sees, etc. Would be interesting if he just disappears once they enter the town

Cool post. Thanks for sharing that insight from the 1st episode. Had forgotten actors name but respect Boyd even more now after reading

Just got back from vacation this weekend and finishing S3E2

ETA so basically sounds like they’re just inside of Victor’s moms acid trip

Okay, I'm reading through episode synopses for all of the episodes. I'm gonna jot down some notes in this post to try to piece some shite together from reading the synopses...mainly stuff that I think may be important. I'll revise as things move forward in the show (or if anybody wants me to add additional notes).

I don't expect many people to read all of it, but I wanted everything condensed into a post or two to help me stay less confused.

ETA: Okay here goes...



Basic notes/observations:
- Talismans work on enclosed spaces (houses, the RV, the Colony House foyer, Boyd and Sara’s tent, etc.).
- The town is not located anywhere specific…map showing where everyone came from and was driving when they saw the tree.
- Ethan sees boy in white (BIW) while at Colony House (CH).
- Victor is there since he was a child. Visions of lots of dead people. He sees the BIW and plays with him. Ethan later recognizes the BIW in one of Victor’s drawings (still not sure if he drew it because he saw him or if the BIW manifested from Victor’s drawing).
- Jim and Tabitha had a son who died (Thomas). He later calls Jim on the phone (like a real a-hole).
- Victor tells Ethan about faraway trees and shows him how they work.
- While searching for Ethan, Jim and Tabitha are surrounded by wild dogs and Victor scares them off with a pistol (first time we see him with a gun; we later see him pull it again on Randall when he tries to steal the goat).
- Sara has a seizure in the diner (when she’s told to kill Ethan).
- Ethan also has a seizure. So Boyd suspects the town can cause physical reactions to people, which we later see when Julie, Elgin, Randall, and Marielle when they are consumed by the dreamlike trance with the music box stuff.
- Victor digs two graves at one point (is he more involved with this place than we think?).
- Boyd has early signs of Parkinson’s early in S1.
- Father Khatri’s theory is that there are 73 books in the bible and this is all a test by God to formulate a new 74th book.
- Jade finds the radio and he and Jim later fix it but there is only static.
- Jade sees Civil War soldier ghost. Also sees the symbol (which we later see is the image of the tree roots looking up and out from where the children were bound to tables in the underground monster tunnels).
- Tian-Chen gives Jade the notebook with the drawings of the symbol in them (someone’s stuff who is no longer living there). It also has the photo of Victor as a child.
- Tabitha digs in the basement to find out where the power is coming from.
- Jim builds a taller radio tower (see Control section below).
- Ellis and Fatima survive by using a talisman in the foyer of CH.
- Victor sends Julie through a faraway tree and she ends up in the creepy cellar.
- Boyd is the one who found the talismans (in a cave). He is also the one who found the livestock out in the woods. This helped him naturally transition to the town leader/sheriff. The cave is now a home base/point of reference/safe house of sorts for foraging or anybody out in the woods.
- Boyd and Sara traveled out further than anybody before and found the bottle tree. The bottles had paper messages in them, and Boyd found one dating back to 1864 meaning this place has existed for a long arse time. And I found this in a discussion online with other dates: ",,,numbers scratched into the stone. -1506, 1864, 1609, 1752, 1931, 1883, 1978, 1672, and one more year I can't quite make out." ETA: new number from the trees: 2659.
- Boyd and Sara’s tent is attacked and dragged a long way. Then a huge light and a loud horn (from the lighthouse). They awake the next day in the spider web part of the forest (frick that ).
- Boyd is bitten by spiders (again, frick that) and becomes delirious and weak.
- When the basement collapses and Tabitha falls into the underground tunnels, Victor is already down there and tells her that’s where the monsters sleep. Is this an underrated moment that could mean Victor is somehow in on things with this place?
- Sara pushes Boyd into a faraway tree at the behest of the BIW, and that’s when Boyd ends up at the bottom of the well. So is the BIW not always helpful?
- Jim’s house collapses when he tries to save Tabitha (who didn’t need saving anyway).
- Boyd gets out of the well with the help of Martin. But then we later see Martin chained to the wall. So how could he also help and throw a rope down or whatever? Also, who has him chained up? And why is his blood all wormy and able to kill monsters? So many questions around Martin.
- Martin tells Boyd the creatures are only the “tip of the spear.”
- This is also where Boyd gets the blood worms thing from Martin that they later use.
- Boyd meets up with Victor and Tabitha in Victor’s trailer. I wonder if he has little safe houses type of things all over.
- Tabitha tells Jim the wires weren’t connected to anything.
- Kelly is staked to a tree by the monsters.
- Fatima takes Elgin to the Brundles (their little tubing oasis) and he has previously seen that in a dream while on the bus.
- We learn about Christopher. He was a happy dude but then became consumed by the symbol Jade sees and changed. It’s also apparently his notebook that Tian-Chen gives to Jade.. Victor told Jade at the car graveyard that one night his mom told him to go hide somewhere Christopher didn’t know, and when Victor woke up the next day everybody was dead. So I suspect we will see more about Christopher at some point. And I am wondering if Jade will be consumed by that symbol and try to do the same thing Christopher did (presumably he killed everyone, or was it the monsters?).
- When taking Jade to the car graveyard, Victor comments on the trees and their leaves changing colors and that it was strange. He also says there are more cars out there that were there before he moved all of the ones from when he was there.
- Elgin talks about his grandmother crocheting owls. So if we see owls as a factor at some point, Elgin may be connected to that.
- Elgin and Sara bond. And they both have some weird connections to this place.
- At the car graveyard, Victor tells Jade there are bad things in this place that make people do bad things. So maybe that plays into the “there are worse things than monsters” thing?
- “Anghkooey” is what the scary kids say over and over. I don’t think we know much about what that means yet.
- Tabitha gets a nose bleed after her encounter with the kids at the cave (when she built the blocks puzzle at the entrance). This is further evidence of the town physically affecting people.
- Boyd kills a monster with the wormy blood so he can get a transfusion to save Ellis.
- Elgin is attacked by the silliest monster ever in the tub and she tries to drown him.
- Kenny dreams the cicadas then wakes up and has a sore on his arm from one. And they also kill that girl and attack Randall in the woods and are attached to Marielle and Julie as well.
- Victor’s mother (and sister) leave Victor in the cellar to go “save the children.” Is that when she dies? Or was it when Christopher (presumably) kills everyone? I’m confused on that timeline of events. Nevermind, we find out that was the night she left and the night everyone else died. His sister had drawn a picture of the lighthouse and said that’s where their mom was going. So I assume his sister was killed by Christopher and his mom was killed near the bottle tree.
- Victor says “pictures are for things that are gone.” However, a lot of what he draws still take place and are around.

In-show character theories on what is going on:
- Jim and Jade discuss if they died in their car crash and wonder if they are in purgatory.
- Sara thinks by obeying the voices and their messages (including ones on her arms with the worms) that she can get everyone home.
- Boyd suspects the town can cause physical reactions to people.
- Father Khatri’s theory is that there are 73 books in the bible and this is all a test by God to formulate a new 74th book.
- Jim wonders if it is all one big experiment by some sort of entity. Randall later buys into that and thinks someone in town is a mole helping out from the inside.
- Abby thought they were trapped in a nightmare and that by killing everyone she was sending them home/releasing them from this place.
- Voices tell Sara there are things worse than monsters in the woods.
- Martin tells Boyd the monsters are just the “tip of the spear.”
- Ethan notices similarities about this town and his stupid fricking Cromenockle story bullshite. I hate him.
- Jim talks to Randall and says that a lot of people have been pushed to their edge in this place, and he wonders if that’s sort of the point of it.
- When Boyd sees a vision of Abby in the dark church, just before destroying the music box, she tells him that it's hope that feeds this place, not fear.


Victor.
- He’s there from when he was a pretty young kid (less than 10). So he’s been there like 40+ years.
- His pictures. Are they drawings of things he’s seen, or does this place manifest shite from his mind?
- He was already in the tunnels when Tabitha fell down there when the basement collapsed. He also knows his way around the tunnels pretty well. It could be that he has simply been there before, but if he knows that’s where they sleep it seems like he wouldn’t have gone back in there. Yet he has the tunnels memorized.
- He knows all about faraway trees and how they work, and sometimes even where they send you (even though it is supposed to be random?). He also knew the one the BIW showed to him and Ethan was "new."
- He also knows about other trees, to the point of appearing to notice that they have moved ("four inches closer," he tells Ethan in S1)..
- His mother in the real world (or “real world”) painted pictures of tons of shite from the town. And she also created the bottle tree (as well as a replica in her back yard). That bottle tree will have major significance in the future I suspect.
- He never seems to be in any danger. Could he be one of the monsters at this point, but like a good one who is trying to help? It would make sense from a control perspective that you’d offer a shred of hope/help in the form of a grown, mentally disabled, troubled man so that nobody takes him seriously.
- He also refused to help Jade initially with the symbol even though he knew what it was (or something about it).
- He moved all the cars to the car graveyard (but apparently told nobody about it?).
- When Jade yells at Victor for not being forthright about his knowledge of the symbol and says that could be how they go home, Victor says that the town is his home and leaves.
- He has a sister (Eloise) who ran after their mom when she left him in the cellar.
- He knows which tree takes you to the lighthouse. So technically he knows how to get everyone there. Not sure if he knows it’s how you escape or not (I assume maybe not?), but he took Tabitha there to send her to the lighthouse.
- Victor also says that the BIW first appeared after two cars arrived on the same day. And he saw him again when the Matthewses and Jade both arrived on the same day.
- He may also be legit crazy, so everything I’ve just typed may mean nothing.

Reserved.

Okay, I updated my previous posts.

Sorry for the length (TWHS).

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Tabitha going back to see her fam and give her wild update on all she’s been through will be interesting.

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I've seen people joking on Twitter that they'll ask her what happened and she'll say "I don't want to talk about it."

I love the show to death, but if these fricking people don't start actually communicating with each other. Jim didn't tell anybody about his phone call did he? Because I remember Boyd asked him a couple times what was wrong. And Jade didn't tell anybody about what he was seeing in the woods.

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Tabitha going back to see her fam and give her wild update on all she’s been through will be interesting.

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I've seen people joking on Twitter that they'll ask her what happened and she'll say "I don't want to talk about it."

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I love the show to death, but if these fricking people don't start actually communicating with each other. Jim didn't tell anybody about his phone call did he?

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no kidding, and this past episode when the kids are in the room with Jim bitching at him and then walk into the other room the phone immediately rings… ummmm uhh are none of them interested what the hell that’s about or if maybe it’s some info on their mom? Sure Jim expects the phone call to be a troll but the kids never even reentered the room

I get Jade not telling people about what he sees, but if I was Jim I would have been on in that road yelling to everyone that my phone just rang