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re: For everyone complaining about Rey's lineage
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:56 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:56 pm to Antonio Moss
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I thought it was pretty clear in TLJ - Rey is the Force's response to Ben Solo. Her light emerged as an answer to his dark - hence, bringing balance to the Force. The light saber vision was the Force revealing itself to Rey.
Solid explanation, if its true, but handled poorly because they pointed so much to Skywalker prior to that. I think the creators SHOULD be wary that people are going to read into a lot of what they do, so if the intention all along was not to make Rey anything special, then there are cleaner ways to show her connecting with the Force without bringing in the past.
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For all the bad stuff in TLJ, I loved that explanation. This is still a Skywalker story but this time it is Ben Solo's and Rey is his counterbalance.
I did like Ben until the end of this movie, I don't like where they took his character anymore. Different strokes, but I thought they ruined the good story that they built up.
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This is why I commented earlier that even given the nonsense of TLJ there is still an epic way to end this Saga.
I hope so.
Like I said above, I think they are trying to have their cake and eat it to by making the Force "less special," but at the same time trying to make Rey special. That makes interpreting what's going on really problematic.
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:41 pm to LSUZombie
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Where was the gripe from Anakin/Vader's lineage?
His lineage was addressed in a way. All the pieces were there. In the Easter eggs in TPM, in the original novel and script for ROTS.
Palpatine created Anakin in the Force using what he learned from Darth Plagueis.
Lucas just chickened out during the final filming/script because he wanted to avoind another “I am your father” moment.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:43 pm to LSUZombie
In Episode 7 Han acted liked he knew of Rey. Why have this on film if she was a junkrat.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:45 pm to theunknownknight
I thought it was one of plageuis' experiments that created Anakin. He was obsessed with altering midichlorians to impact life, and sidious never truly learned everything he did about that particular force power
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:46 pm to Freauxzen
I’ll post this again here as one post:
Rey is the embodiment of the force passed on through generations to restore/maintain the balance Luke was describing. She is neither good nor evil. She is what she has to be.
Anakin, in his time, tipped the scales to the light when he fought for the Jedi, then tipped them dark when he went to the empire. Then killed the emperor bringing balance.
I think that’s the mythos Disney's building toward. Every new generation will have a tension going back and forth.
When Kylo goes all dark, Rey is pulled toward the light. When she thought there was light in Kylo where did she gravitate on the island - straight to the dark and that scared Luke.
Snoke probably assumed the next incarnation would be Ben Solo because he was Skywalker blood then Rey shows up out of no where and bests him after being “woken up” by Anakin’s memories in TFA. Snoke essentially tells Ben he got the wrong one and that he is not the next Vader (just a kid in a mask) so he plots to bring the true Vader (Rey) to himself.
Ben, I think to some degree, is aware of this. Which is why he needs her and gave her the half truth of her origin.
Rey, therefore, is the reincarnation of the chosen one. Anakin reborn. Sent to rebalance the Force against the rising darkness.
This explains the cave scene when see saw endless reflections of herself in sequence all acting in sequence. Her parents are “herself”.
This also explains why she is SOO strong in the force and why anakin’s light saber “woke her up”
Her connection with Ben Solo is familial because it’s a residual connection to Anakin’s grandson.
Ben was wanting to be the NEXT Vader whereas Snoke realized the LAST Vader was actually reborn. Ben is going to fully realize this and it’s going to change him and redirect Rey.
The whole political/philosophical idea of TLJ was that good and evil are part of the same coin (arms dealers selling to same side, yin/yang on floor of temple, Luke’s lesson to Rey about the force being between).
Ben’s goal is to burn it all down. The sith. The Jedi. To master all - Jacen Solo’s exact motivation in The Legacy of the Force Series - turned him dark anyway.
Rey believes the same thing but she’s seeking to PRESERVE the coin which is another reason she wants to preserve Kylo.
Other than that - unless they introduce a major power up to Ben or return Snoke in someway the plot for the next movie is in trouble at this point because they put themselves behind the 8-ball in this movie.
Rey is the embodiment of the force passed on through generations to restore/maintain the balance Luke was describing. She is neither good nor evil. She is what she has to be.
Anakin, in his time, tipped the scales to the light when he fought for the Jedi, then tipped them dark when he went to the empire. Then killed the emperor bringing balance.
I think that’s the mythos Disney's building toward. Every new generation will have a tension going back and forth.
When Kylo goes all dark, Rey is pulled toward the light. When she thought there was light in Kylo where did she gravitate on the island - straight to the dark and that scared Luke.
Snoke probably assumed the next incarnation would be Ben Solo because he was Skywalker blood then Rey shows up out of no where and bests him after being “woken up” by Anakin’s memories in TFA. Snoke essentially tells Ben he got the wrong one and that he is not the next Vader (just a kid in a mask) so he plots to bring the true Vader (Rey) to himself.
Ben, I think to some degree, is aware of this. Which is why he needs her and gave her the half truth of her origin.
Rey, therefore, is the reincarnation of the chosen one. Anakin reborn. Sent to rebalance the Force against the rising darkness.
This explains the cave scene when see saw endless reflections of herself in sequence all acting in sequence. Her parents are “herself”.
This also explains why she is SOO strong in the force and why anakin’s light saber “woke her up”
Her connection with Ben Solo is familial because it’s a residual connection to Anakin’s grandson.
Ben was wanting to be the NEXT Vader whereas Snoke realized the LAST Vader was actually reborn. Ben is going to fully realize this and it’s going to change him and redirect Rey.
The whole political/philosophical idea of TLJ was that good and evil are part of the same coin (arms dealers selling to same side, yin/yang on floor of temple, Luke’s lesson to Rey about the force being between).
Ben’s goal is to burn it all down. The sith. The Jedi. To master all - Jacen Solo’s exact motivation in The Legacy of the Force Series - turned him dark anyway.
Rey believes the same thing but she’s seeking to PRESERVE the coin which is another reason she wants to preserve Kylo.
Other than that - unless they introduce a major power up to Ben or return Snoke in someway the plot for the next movie is in trouble at this point because they put themselves behind the 8-ball in this movie.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:50 pm to Tiguar
The original novel/script indicated Sidious had a direct hand in creating anakin and ALWAYS knew about Anakin.
The second point can be proven by watching TPM.
Maul’s mark is in Anakin’s slave home clear as day and it’s apparent Maul’s job was to monitor him ala Ben Kenobi.
As Sidious said “I plan on watching your career with great interest”
The second point can be proven by watching TPM.
Maul’s mark is in Anakin’s slave home clear as day and it’s apparent Maul’s job was to monitor him ala Ben Kenobi.
As Sidious said “I plan on watching your career with great interest”
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:51 pm to theunknownknight
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Other than that - unless they introduce a major power up to Ben or return Snoke in someway the plot for the next movie is in trouble at this point because they put themselves behind the 8-ball in this movie.
This is on point. I don't want to see 9 because it offers nothing. No mysteries to be solved, just a huge battle between Rey and Kylo. Honestly It doesn't matter who wins because there will be no one to combat the other once one side wins.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:52 pm to theunknownknight
I don't argue he(sidious) always knew- I just remember something about plageuis being the actual creator, but he wasn't aware of what he had done.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:17 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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ETA: also my biggest gripe isn’t that her parents aren’t special, it’s that they teased the whole thing, set it up as this big mystery, then just have zero payoff. That’s just a stupid trick. Plus they are just trying so hard to make the point of you don’t have to be anyone special to be great.
and this is why we can't have nice things. So sick of this shite being forced down our throats in every entertainment medium. News, Commercials, Sitcoms, Dramas, Movies, Social Media and Sports.. You name it.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 12:01 pm
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